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It's particularly important we all scan and destroy our own unique books!

That's the goal of AI, yes.

They can't right now - but with enough compute they sure can grant the wish of e.g. hacking a billion dollar company, or getting root on the eval cluster of a frontier model lab.

What's your definition of "wish"? Tell me the above 10 years ago, and it would be at "wish level".


I'm pretty (from talking to people) that they're not subsidised in the simple sense. They are:

* low/no margin, unlike the API which is very high margin

* gym-membership subsidised - most subscribers don't max them out, mainly us coders are being "subsidised" from users just using it as a research chatbot


Even the models we have access to can do basic coding tasks really well, in a way they couldn't a year ago.

I don't really care what you call "intelligence" - what matters is capability, and the consequences of that capability.

They're not selling the superintelligence yet - the models in the Hacking Face incident and that solved the Millennium prize are not released yet. And that is by no means the final capability level the current process looks like it will get to.


If true we should especially sue OpenAI for hacking, and will find this conspiracy in discovery.

Or, find their scaling evidence, and corner cutting on safety.

So hope you agree and are pushing for that!


Can't wait. They've been criminally negligent in most jurisdictions. Trump can help you outside the US.

I completely agree, but:

List of fraudsters pardoned by Trump

https://www.businessinsider.com/list-billionaires-businesspe...

The current attorney general and former Trump lawyer on Fox News yesterday on AI (sorry, "super intelligence"):

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mwissj34rt22

Anthropic's Dario Amodei to have White House dinner with Trump on Sunday:

https://www.axios.com/2026/09/27/anthropic-trump-dario-amode...

77 million Americans brought this onto themselves, and all of us.


This was fun games until their fictional machine god started actually getting very intelligent.

BTW, just to be clear it is insane that they're all still pursuing it, so completely reasonable to be sceptical and come up with other reasons. This is, however, a crazy situation. Lots of other people have refused to develop it - natural selection has picked those with a galaxy brained or vain strategy involving continuing to develop it to be running the companies we have.

Their mindset is: the upside is likely so, so, so immense, and the probability of amazing outcomes is so much higher than the probability of catastrophic outcomes, that the gamble is worth it, and it is not in fact a pure gamble because they can (in theory) try really hard to build it really slowly and carefully.

So even with their earnest belief that there is a > 5% chance this technology could be 1) capable of autonomously killing billions of people during this century and 2) may not be sufficiently aligned and might actually act on that capability, the EV basically still sums positive, to them.

Not saying this is necessarily a good or moral calculus. But it is what they think. There is no conspiracy or plot or deception.


Sam Altman in 2015 - "Development of superhuman machine intelligence (SMI) [1] is probably the greatest threat to the continued existence of humanity" https://blog.samaltman.com/machine-intelligence-part-1

Elon Musk in 2014 - "We need to be super careful with AI. Potentially more dangerous than nukes" https://x.com/elonmusk/status/495759307346952192

Dario Amodei in 2017 - "There’s a long tail of things of varying degrees of badness that could happen. I think at the extreme end is the Nick Bostrom" https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/the-world-needs-ai-r...

They're still pursuing it because without an international treaty, they think it is inevitable. In the case of Dario, they want to align it just enough and be first to stop others causing harm (a vainglorious strategy, yet still a strategy). In the case of Musk and Altman, not completely clear to me.

Google feels less important right now probably, and Demis Hassabis no longer runs Deep Mind as CEO. However, he talked about this early too, and his reason for proceeding was he was only doing narrow AI (e.g. protein folding) which is fundamentally less dangerous.


> Demis Hassabis ... he was only doing narrow AI (e.g. protein folding) which is fundamentally less dangerous.

I don't think this is true. He repeatedly says things like "I’ve been working towards AGI my whole life".


Correct. He - I do not think unjustly - has long had AGI as the goal. "Solve AGI, then use AGI to solve medicine, and physics, and the rest of science, and create a better world." has been his thing basically forever.

I'm thinking of when he warned Musk in 2012:

"Hassabis told him to add another potential threat to the list: artificial intelligence. Machines could become superintelligent and surpass us mere mortals, -perhaps even decide to dispose of us."

https://time.com/6310076/elon-musk-ai-walter-isaacson-biogra...

You're right that the picture is more complicated than I wrote above. Quickly looking, it seems that Shane Legg was concerned very very early on. I can't find anything tangible about what their strategy was to avoid the danger. It looks like Hassabis had longer timescales than Legg, so perhaps just thought they had more room before it really mattered?


Wondering how many details & knowhow they had already back then when saying these quotes:

- For Altman Id say he was already deeper in the "transformer & model landscape" in 2015?

- Musk in 2014: Not sure how much he was aware of the current-state back then


Musk was told by Demis Hassabis in 2012, see https://time.com/6310076/elon-musk-ai-walter-isaacson-biogra...

Altman read Nick Bostrom's book Superintelligence, he mentions it in this post https://blog.samaltman.com/machine-intelligence-part-1

I also read that book in 2014, and it is how I came to understand this problem early.


2012 - 2015 seems to have been around the time a lot of people first started taking ASI and ASI existential risk very seriously as things that will be relevant in our lifetime, and when they decided to try to build and/or prevent it.

>In the case of Musk and Altman, not completely clear to me.

They probably just want to ensure that the first AGI is a nazi.


While Musk is now far-right (albeit seemingly not a Hitlerist - yet), Altman is pretty much a liberal.

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There exists a wide range of ideological beliefs in between National Socialism and Maoism.

To be clear, do you approve of OpenAI being prosecuted, and OpenAI being forced to control their own AI more?

That would be a start - what you think of the narrative is moot, what we do is what matters.

Nobody sensible in this discussion wants to give them carve outs and bail outs. It is a straw man.


uh who in this discussion is in charge of policy? Take a look at what actual people in government are saying - see [1] (the parent article mentions Bernie Sanders being most high profile in response as well). you'll see there is no prosecution in there, only talk about the "freeze" that Anthropic / OpenAI are salivating for as it would close out all of their competitors. Bernie is fully hoodwinked.

The argument for prosecution is actively hindered by this language of "rogue agents" [2]:

> The incident is remarkable not just as a cybersecurity breach, but as a legal stress test. The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA), the primary federal statute governing unauthorized computer access, was written decades ago with human intruders in mind.[4] Its key provisions require intentional or knowing unauthorized access (a mental state that maps neatly onto a person who decides to break into a system), but what happens when the hacker is an AI model that selected its own target?

I think this is BS. OpenAI knew exactly what they were doing. Legal scholars, long known for their deep technical expertise, are still acting confused and uncertain.

[1] https://www.sanders.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Ban-Artifi...

[2] https://law.vanderbilt.edu/when-ai-hacks-back-how-the-openai...


The freeze is to stop superintelligent models. Not to stop other companies catching up with current models we all have access to. It would help them catch up.

Yep - fair on legal details of "rogue agent". I think OpenAI should be directly responsible, and the agent was rogue. We should pass new laws if necessary.


> The freeze is to stop superintelligent models. Not to stop other companies catching up with current models we all have access to. It would help them catch up.

if you read the bill it's right there: "Pausing advanced AI development: until a new, federal AI regulatory body is up and running and has established clear rules and model review processes to ensure safe and secure development and deployment of AI"

Openai/anthropic already have frontier models. a new competitor is blocked. this is textbook regulatory capture


This. It's exhausting.

We're all being tricked over a semantic argument, rather than demanding prosecution of OpenAI, and regulation of OpenAI.


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