I’m vaguely aware of the dude having removed a lot of rubbish ansible roles which I think he wrote over the years, and now he’s some kind of blogger or something?
He’s not a technical person, sysadmin cosplay aside — and so I think, at least here, we should only judge technical contributions; of which his is a handful of yaml files for installing apache which don’t really count for much.
Religious types are never happy in doing only what they say and believe - they want to force these views on others, whether they like it or not. I've seen what religious imperialism does. These choices are not personal and will never be personal.
Worse yet, when you allow SOME types of hate (against women and against homosexuals), it opens the door for other hate. This is Catholic teachings, so are non-Catholics welcome? How about Jews? Moslems? How about pagans and witches? Are bisexuals welcome, since they are half-homosexual?
When you refuse to draw the line at hate, but draw it where you find it convenient, you leave the door open for hate to sneak in everywhere, under the guise of tolerating intolerance.
I put my foot down at any form of hate. Attending, paying, or otherwise supporting this event is tacit acceptance that his form of hate is acceptable.
The abortion and homosexuality stuff seems to me mostly religious beliefs in the US tho (as far as i can see from the outside) so what you’re really saying here is that you support ostracising someone because of their private religious views? Isn’t there even something in the US constitution about that? If you want to change the constitution to support punishment for wrong belief, and don’t see how that could backfire on you, I’m not sure what anyone can tell you.
Seems like an obvious slippery slope to me. While I disagree with those religious views personally, I strongly believe people should be able to hold whatever beliefs they want and shouldn’t be punished for them.
I'm relatively confident that the US Constitution doesn't contain any prohibitions against the private boycott of people with different religious beliefs.
I've thought about it a fair bit, and I don't think there's really a very clear line between which religious beliefs people should politely decline to comment on, vs openly critisise. The cultural taboo that exists in much of the west against privately excluding people on the basis of religion has had some really positive effects (the marked decrease in religious violence of the past few hundred years is amazing), but it also leaves society somewhat vulnerable to the spread of some particularly cancerous ideas.
Your remark has nothing to do with the technical merit of this event. Your remark only has to do with his personal life and such comments have no place here (in my opinion).
That's a fair opinion to have. Personally I have the opposite opinion and have no desire to participate in an event organized by someone with these views. I find homophobia absolutely abhorrent and cruel with real life harm to others. I am grateful this was pointed out to me.
“Personal” is an arbitrary line that anyone can decide to draw anywhere. Supporting someone professionally/publicly gives them resources which they can use on other “personal” pursuits.
Also, as we’ve seen in the case of DHH and others (https://drewdevault.com/weird-guys should not be taken as gospel, but it’s certainly a reasonable place to start), public figures have a tendency to move their “personal” business more towards their professional/public platform.
> Frankly, personal politics matter a great deal to me. I can't look away.
I think if you'd also say under every traditional Muslim's post "by the way this person thinks gay people should be thrown off roofs, and women's votes should be half that of men's, and they should only be able to divorce if the man consents, and men should be able to hit their wives to discipline them, and women should walk around in dehumanising clothing because only women are to blame for rape, and supports a religion that builds the most backward societies on the planet" then you'd look a lot more honest.
But you won't. Because you look away from the catastrophic stuff and instead poorly mis-summarise mild stuff that you disagree with to make it sound catastrophic.
There’s no point trying with these people, they’re too far gone. They can’t even recognise their breathless intolerance of others for what it is, it’s echo chamber stuff. May as well go piss upwind.
Why would anyone there care if you’re queer? The guy posted a blog 10 years ago (since removed) with one paragraph about his personal religious beliefs; and now suddenly the event he’s hosting is “queer not welcome”? I mean come on.
You want equality, I’m absolutely sure you’ll be treated like everyone else there if you go to the homelab event, regardless of your alignment.
With the amount of comments about it I'd hope that the host would make a statement at the least. Silence is telling. Your garauntees are obviously meaningless.
My statement is the same as I put on all my ancient blog posts (for example[1]):
Warning
This post is more than 10 years old. I do not delete posts,
because even old information is still useful, but please
know that some material on this page may be outdated or
incorrect. Thanks!
In the past, I've engaged privately with a few of the Reddit users who are linked to elsewhere in this thread[2], and realized they aren't interested in actually talking, only proving they are righteous, and I am evil. There's a saying I've found applies to those one-way relationships: Never wrestle with a pig: You both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Therefore I ignore those threads now. I have enough on my plate trying to be a good father and husband (failing often, but a little less each day!), learn more about the world and people around me, and share what I learn with other people in what ways I can.
The main reason I started HomelabFest is to bring the homelab community together, in person. Get people (myself included) away from their monitors and phones, and into real human relationships. No matter who you are or where you come from.
[2] Note that I don't call out individuals for tarring and feathering in public. A couple times in the past I have used a name in reference to a movement or a poor business decision, and I immediately regretted it. Reducing someone to a label or branding them for one poor decision is a quick way to dehumanize the person. Every person deserves love and dignity.
There’s no point trying to have nuance here with these people. The blue hair brigade aren’t looking for equal treatment, they want everyone to out of their way to accommodate them and finding someone convenient to target like this is a thrill for them, I am sure.
If they really cared about your private beliefs why not go further, does anyone think they vet the religion of their doctors, dentists, garbage men? Does their barista pass a written inclusivity test before they’ll get their business?
It’s bollocks and tbh you’re right not to rise to it.
Comments like this is why people don't want to support homophobes and are pointing out the bigotry. It's people like you that make others feel unwelcome. Yes, people vet their doctors when possible, if a business has a Trump flag I'm not going to enter. People are just looking for equal treatment, what accomodations are being asked of, even? You're the unequal treatment people want to avoid, this right here. The equivalent to what you're doing right now in the previous generation is screaming at black people for sitting in the same side of the cafe as you. You come out here with insults for asking if it's okay for certain people to attend based on the organizers established beliefs against that group of people.
How so? I absolutely dont care at all what anyones religon, sexuality, race or gender is. No one gets special treatment from me, Im very pro equality. What you want is not that tho. Im not the one with issues here. If you don't see the irony in calling for boycotting business based on political preferences while accusing me of somehow being equivalent to racists you are so far gone I genuiely dont think you could even find help.
You're slinging insults based on people's identity. There's no irony in being liberal. Hating racists isn't a passtime for fun, it's necessary to a liberal society. Which you obviously don't believe in, even though you claim to, based on your comments here.
Please share a single generalisation i’ve made which shows i’m judging people on their religion/politics/gender/belief. You are the bigot here, it’s hilarious you can’t even see it.
I’m vaguely aware of the dude having removed a lot of rubbish ansible roles which I think he wrote over the years, and now he’s some kind of blogger or something?
He’s not a technical person, sysadmin cosplay aside — and so I think, at least here, we should only judge technical contributions; of which his is a handful of yaml files for installing apache which don’t really count for much.