Why is it OK to train on the collective IP of humanity and call it fair use but ...

vlovich123 · 2026-09-22T03:18:01 1790047081

I did no such moral claim. I just noted that the foundation labs are working on technical hurdles to thwart distillation efforts and the cost and quality of Chinese models isn’t likely to keep up with the 6 month lag time everyone has assumed.

awad · 2026-09-22T19:57:47 1790107067

Fair enough, apologies for reading in to it that which you did not mean.

userbinator · 2026-09-22T01:34:27 1790040867

This is why Imaginary Property is an illusion, as everything is a derivative work, and AI is going to make that fact even clearer.

eru · 2026-09-22T02:42:07 1790044927

That's not true for literally everything.

When eg I snap a picture of my dog, that's not derived from anything. But I still get intellectual property rights for the photograph.

floam · 2026-09-22T01:35:33 1790040933

I don’t follow. Fair use is a copyright defense, and nobody is suggesting distillation attacks are just a copyright violation are they?

Aren’t they alleging these other companies directly entered into a contract and violated the terms, and in cases where question, answer pairs were obtained without such agreement, it was accomplished by outright wire fraud or theft?

kkotak · 2026-09-22T02:11:23 1790043083

Are you suggesting that worldwide copyright violation is more acceptable than contract breach between companies?