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Is it really that hard to fix this in an imperfect way by letting you save a profile? If everything is the same as the profile, go. If things have changed, and all of the options are available, prompt about resetting to match the profile. When there are missing options, ask if you want to go fix that.

The recording of that lightning talk session is at https://pyvideo.org/pycon-us-2013/friday-evening-lightning-t.... I was there too and was among those who didn't get it immediately. I do recall more and some mentions of that talk during conversations through the remainder of PyCon though.

Does the journey have value? When you started learning to code to become a software engineer, you probably reasoned that the journey was important.

If you are an exec building an app then the journey is likely to be uninteresting and an impediment to getting to a product. I don't think we'll uncover anything new here that we couldn't reason about before. When execs, or other non-programmers, do get decide to get involved, there is a probability that they will learn something more about software engineering inside their organization. That is the thing that software engineers need to be concerned about because depending on the circumstances, the execs will uncover things which shorten the tenure of SWEs or their management.


The journey always has value, in retrospect (if you manage to get through in one piece). But - to be honest - if I could have prompted my way to the software I built back then instead of grinding through the bits and bobs - I would have done it.

I can appreciate the internal beauty but getting "a thing that does thing and does it well", and seeing others enjoy using it has way more value for me than "what type system could work more elegantly here".


>> And I think most people who hate Jira actually just hate the process their company has imposed inside of Jira.

I think what you describe is a problem for a lot of people, but what isn't acknowledged is that some people don't want any kind of process, or rather, they don't want to deal with any kind of friction. These people don't like Jira without the customizations. They don't like equivalent tools.

Given these tools regiment the world to some extent, many programmers are fine with the minimal friction. However, you have big problems when people who don't value any process get into positions of authority. This is also often a problem when you interface with other units of an organization who don't understand the value of a process.


My fingers are curling up at the look of the angle on that keyboard. I love the idea and the aesthetic, but I could never use this full time.


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