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Estonia?!

Much has been made of Estonia having a high tech virtual government I’d. So many high tech start ups have come from Estonia, I’m a bit stunned that they have big electricity distribution problems.


This is some kind of totally wrong reporting. Maybe some other country was meant, or the author mixed us up with Elbonia from Dilbert.

We do not have issues with electricity here or planned power cuts or whatever else.

I would like to see where this professor got his data for losses from. Maybe his data is flawed.


i dunno, if you follow the link to https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.ELC.LOSS.ZS?end=2024... you see Estonia has high distribution losses?

> Albania, Argentina, Bangladesh, Brazil, Estonia, India, Kenya, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Uganda, and Venezuela

Even if Estonia does have stated electricity distribution loss, it still looks so way out of place in this group of countries by so many criteria. I wonder why not pick Egypt or Libya given that they have the same distribution loss.

Edit: this could be the reason - when you click on "Map" above the graph, for some reason Estonia is one of the blue countries shown on the map. Argentina, Brazil, and Kenya are there too (but not others).


https://energiatalgud.ee/V%C3%B5rgukaod%3A_elekter?category=...

'kaod' is losses, this table shows losses from bruto production.

Either someone has been sending wrong data to the world bank or there is some issue with interpreting them before importing to world bank.


Interestingly, this page seems to contain data only until year 2014, but the graph next to Estonia in the grandparent link does show an increase on the right side. Maybe Estonia did indeed experience some changes in overall distribution loss in recent years?

Up from about 6% in 2015-2020 according to the World Bank: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.ELC.LOSS.ZS?location...

But at 2.9% according to Eesti's electricity supplier: https://www.elering.ee/en/electricity-consumption-and-genera...

"In 2024, losses accounted for 2.9% of the total amount of electricity supplied to the transmission system." What does it all mean, who knows.


Elering reports only their part, the very high voltage transmission losses. Then there are the distribution losses on the local level are they're about 4%.

https://www.ceer.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/3rd-CEER-Repo...


I did query ChatGPT and it seemingly wrong headedly suggested that Estonia had closed lots of Oil Shale power which it did have, I am not too up on this.

I did push back hard saying that that's not the same as what the article talked about at all.

The thing is if the World Bank is making statistics people are basing decisions on this is an issue.

"Oh, you sweet summer child"


The article also says Brazil's "problems look like Delhi’s 25 years ago", which is very incorrect from what they're describing. Almost none of what is described in the article happened in Brazil 20 years ago, let alone today. Energy theft, for instance, happens here but at a minuscule scale compared to what's on the article.

I also doubt Estonia has any of these issues whatsoever, like energy theft.

It really seems like a vibecoded article with numbers informing incorrect conclusions. Perhaps with a dash of nationalistic pride. Unfortunate from IEEE.


As far as I can tell, that number comes from the World Bank and it defines electricity loss as a percentage of domestic production. But Estonia imports a lot of its electricity, and that imported electricity is not included on the generation side of the equation.

It may be that they over-generate currently to account for the excess losses, which would be very costly given current fuel prices unless most of it is from environmental sources.

In Estonia we def do not over generate by that amount.

It doesn't need to be that amount, just a significant amount, to be worth mentioning. Though even if that much were true, you would have unusually high electricity bills at home¹.

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[1] much like we do in the UK, but that is because our national grid is a privatised mess effectively run by external concerns (EDF have their fingers in the pie, for one example) charging us much more than they can get away with in their home markets.


They split from the Russian grid and it is causing growing pains. Generation is limited to oil and comprised of aging soviet era plants. They are upgrading but it takes time.

name one start up

The Bayeux Tapestry - all of it, from start to finish

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KnieUa2-22o


If this the benchmark they could well have gone to town on it.

The Pelican is nice, simple and. Lean though.


I figured that the reason it was an interesting test is that "make a 3d animation" on one particular HN comment would have been surprising to spend compute and RL on.

Thinking about this more, I realized that I really don't understand how the modern pipelines work at all.

I was thinking this, but I doubt that the HBM is so easy to repurpose.

I’m assuming that it’s mounted in the same unit as the GPU, not in a handy-dandy socket.

It could be cracked open and extracted no doubt but if it’s glued in that’s going to be nigh on impossible to extract.

I had been pinning my hopes on HBM coming onto the second hand markets after there three years or so of use, perhaps I’m wrong.


It seems unlikely as the entire machines with HBM on them are apt to be sold whole on the market and snapped up quickly. With how much demand is in the current market machines 3 years old may not be sold if they can't get newer faster machines fast enough.

Does this include above ground too? The Eastern end of the Central line has a large dead area that I can never get a signal on.

Yes a bustling high street and vibrant town centres was a real burden to me.


I just use the LG screen for my Apple TV.

No network connection, apparently the BBC thinks I should use the LG app to watch UHD TV, perhaps they’re in league with LG


I’ve been thinking about this the CO₂ usage could be part of the price. I had toyed with having a two dimensional price, the price alongside the CO₂ usage, but I guess that way madness lies.


Nice.

But beaver dams also capture sediment, one of the problems is that rain on loose soil forms deepening gullies.

Another big part is the wetlands, which helps water refill aquifers if the soil is permeable. And a charged aquifer provides springs.

I have no idea why I am so obsessed by aquifer recharge.

There’s a fair number of greening the desert YouTube channels using Beaver Dam analogues funded by the state.


>I have no idea why I am so obsessed by aquifer recharge.

Maybe humans have an instinct for water management like beavers do.

>There’s a fair number of greening the desert YouTube channels using Beaver Dam analogues funded by the state.

I enjoy some of these too. There's also water management focused regenerative agriculture projects that are cool like food garden pond systems in Hawaii[0]

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24uCCr3KjCI


> Maybe humans have an instinct for water management like beavers do.

We absolutely do. For both water and fire management.


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