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Who said anything about agentic, or reasoning? Those are post-hoc additions to autoregressive usage of LLMs. The base case of predicting next tokens generally (rather than with a specific objective) requires a faithful representation of the input embeddings, which is plausibly repurposed for classification.

Essentially because attention introduced a way to scale un/self-supervised learning to the level of data out there, and learnable inference time 0-shot feature selection. Impressively in a autoregressive, unidirectional manner.

I’d argue most of the job loss anxieties come from these companies’ stated goals being to take all the jobs…

Exactly.

When the CEO of OpenAI says that he expects at least 40% of all jobs to be eliminated by 2030 by the tool that's also making personal computing -whether PC or smartphone-, video gaming, and on-prem business computing somewhere between incredibly expensive and unaffordable, and driving up the price for just about everything else substantially -because just about everything has a computer in it or depends on computer-controlled processes these days-, you don't need some boogyman theory to understand why people are angry about the thing that's making the already-rich far, far richer.

Though. blaming it on the boogyman does have the benefit that you don't actually have to address the concerns of those revolting peasants!


>. blaming it on the boogyman does have the benefit that you don't actually have to address the concerns of those revolting peasants!

The establishment and its techbro enablers have messed up so badly that telling the torch people that the pitchfork people want to take their torches isn't working anymore. So now they're moving on to claiming that anyone with a torch or a pitchfork is secretly working for the next kingdom over.


To add some context, uplift in the context of futurism literally refers to a species fast-tracking another’s progress.

Has Anthropic used uplift in that sense? I spent ~5 minutes trying to find an example like that but couldn't find them doing so. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49826215

Those do all seem directly tied to what Unreal Engine does i.e. graphics

A good router on the user-facing end would be nice, but I’d rather be able to get a feel for which car I’m driving and pick one depending on the task, than have to hope the rental agency knows what I need.

The reason these are unsolved is because no-one was working on them.

So you're telling me that any problem a human starts working on gets solved simply because they are a human?

Lets stop and think about this, there is now a machine that can solve a bunch of problems that have not been solved simply because there wasn't enough people with knowledge to work on them, and all we have to do is supply power to get the answers?

Irrational hate causes one to be blind.


> So you're telling me that any problem a human starts working on gets solved simply because they are a human?

No? I don’t think that’s what they’re saying at all.

> there is now a machine that can solve a bunch of problems that have not been solved simply because there wasn't enough people with knowledge to work on them

That “simply” is doing a ton of work. A big reason there aren’t enough people with knowledge to work on these problems is that their basic needs aren’t met. If a slice of the money being poured into AI right now had been used to incentivise humans to work on these problems, maybe they wouldn’t still be unsolved.

> and all we have to do is supply power to get the answers?

That is again, quite reductive. The harms caused by LLMs, both environmental and societal, are much larger than “just supply power”.

> Irrational hate causes one to be blind.

Funny how it’s always the ones who disagree who are irrational and blind.


>If a slice of the money being poured into AI right now had been used to incentivise humans to work on these problems

There is no world in which this was ever going to happen or it already would have. Simply throwing out a counter-factual without explaining how any incentive for that path of reality to work means you can make any claim and tell others it's obviously true with no evidence.

>disagree who are irrational and blind

Incorrect. The dialectic is how progress is made. Getting mad and turning off your brain is a different story.


> There is no world in which this was ever going to happen

That’s the point. The incentive structure we have is bad. That’s the criticism.

> Simply throwing out a counter-factual without explaining how any incentive for that path of reality to work means you can make any claim and tell others it's obviously true with no evidence.

Again, you’re adding things to the argument which weren’t said. There is as reason “had been” was used.


This dichotomy is counter-productive. The valuations floating around are insane, and the claim that some software can replace every single laborer is one step removed from fiction. At the same time, this stuff is clearly going to change how to world works in countless, deep ways. But the idea that some fancy autocomplete can replace humans ignores the reality of humanity and the fancy autocomplete.

It’s another dot com bubble, not a crypto bubble. Trillion dollar valuations burst once you leave lesswrong.

Edit: very fancy autocomplete. I know what these things are capable of. It’s still not “intelligence”, for X definition of intelligence. And it certainly benefits from having obscene amounts of compete thrown at it. It is awesomely impressive synthesis of data, yet it’s clearly still that.


i dont think humans are going to be replaced either, but calling the thing that solves millennium problems and is currently changing multiple industries entirely a "fancy autocomplete" makes it harder to take any point you are making seriously.

The "auto-complete" thing is a false framing.

Complete this sentence: "You can solve world hunger by..."

Intelligence is required to finish sentences. It's not just a Markov chain.


Leaving aside the fact we have solutions for things like climate change and will not implement them, regardless of who or what recommends them... My keyboard offers "You can solve world hunger by using a Ted Bungie algorithm." Which sounds reasonable on its face until I research Ted Bungie and the algorithms he developed.

Granted, my phone keyboard lacks a substantial dictionary, offers words instead of tokens, has a very small context window, and doesn't randomize outputs (Ted Bungie is its primary recommendation every time), but those are basically parameters to the existing autocomplete.


Fair point. In that case, it’s imperative you share this* with your local representative: https://chatgpt.com/share/6ab29440-6944-83ea-853f-8060dc58da...

*This un actionable summary of existing discourse. The real world doesn’t produce traces or take HTTP requests.


You're straw manning me.

Obviously there is no solution to world hunger right now. Nevertheless - finishing sentences is not pattern matching - and it's extremely obvious that whatever is going on inside LLMs is not pattern matching.


Language is absolutely pattern matching, and the whole thing is that the more patterns you put in, the more the transformer can pull out what’s useful. Agents are this effective because people figured out that training on tasks being completed gets the models to complete tasks - that’s pattern matching.

And it can only go so far, where those patterns are feasibly captured, eg internet discussions and coding and mathematics. It won’t measure up to the scaling laws of the physical world.


> Language is absolutely pattern matching

OK - so long as you also agree that language is thought.

Until the advent of LLMs - language was considered the pinnacle of human intelligence. But humans have some need for mysticism at the root of their beliefs - so they chase the gaps in our knowledge. Like "God of the gaps."

Sure, world models will help navigate physical space; they are effectively the animal mind. Will they help unwind the laws of the universe? Probably not at all. Language is sufficient. Because it is thought.


Language reflects thought. LLMs are a search function over text, text that reflects previous thought; they cannot create.

> they cannot create

Every single day we have new and wondrous examples of the things LLMs have created.

Clearly we are using very different definitions of the word.


Synthesize != create. A new combination of existing things is different from a new thing

Music is combined notes. Stories are combined words. Newton combined existing mathematics to produce calculus.

I'm wondering if you can name anything that counts as a "creation" under your definition?


Stories and music, their character, comes from combined motifs and themes. These are what gives them meaning. Creation is tied to meaning; one can’t separate human meaning out of the conversation. Without human meaning - new perspectives gained, beauty found - all things are equivalently pointless, and all an LLM is doing is shifting (very high-order, having gone through the steps to end up in training data) entropy around.

No - I mean my question genuinely. I'd like you to name one specific creation that isn't a combination of what has come before it.

I'd rather get specific than talk about hypotheticals.


“We” do, we could, if organized. Per your first point, that is the problem today - agreeing on a shared goal rather than infighting about all the peripheral issues.

Whos "We"?

I would hazard a guess theres stuff that I don't agree with you on, and we would want certain laws written differently. Its important to remember that we all vote for what we think is right, based on a system evolved over thousands of years to cater for human fallibility. The modern rhetoric of "us against the billionaires" is simply not how the world works, despite how much people want it to.


The modern rhetoric is indeed reductive if you put words in the poster's mouth.

The comment was about 'us vs the ruling class', which is very much how the world works.

Your knowledge of history is equally flawed, if you believe modern democracy is some kind of evolutionary apex tenderly nurtured for the greater good for thousands of years.


What looks like a peripheral issue to you is somebody else's central goal. And vice versa.

This ignores the reality that many people are, unfortunately, taking that one iPhone picture, sending it to everyone in their contacts list as if it’s art, and then moving on to the next slop shoot.

And like, that's transformed human interaction? I like following my friends' stories and receiving quotidian snaps of my nephews.

That's the point of the analogy, not that people are passing it off "as if it's art."


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