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Cut the EU off from ... what?

Technlogy? That would likely result in a US market crash the likes of which has never been seen before. Look at what percentage of the stock market is the magnificent 7. Now imagine what would happen to that if US tech giants were no longer allowed to sell their products/services in the EU. The market is fragile as it is with the AI bubble going on.

Trade? That cuts both ways, and the US economy and cost-of-living crisis doesn't give them lots of wriggle room.

Products? China will be all to happy to step into whatever market is thus competition-free, not to mention the impact this would have on US businesses.


Kinda like what Norway has, I'd imagine.

Eased travel and trade, but not full membership voting rights, etc. So basically, an extensive trade and economics agreement, with options to intensify relationships later on.

Good thing for both sides!


> Infrastructure should be neutral.

Infrastructure can never be neutral, because infrastructure is owned and costs resources to run. All infrastructure comes with rules, be they the voting consensus of some e.V. or state-run entity, the whims of an individual on their private server, or the corporate interests of something owned by a, well, corporation.

The problem isn't "neutral infrastructure". The problem is an overreliance on centralized services even though most such services are relatively easy to host yourself.

I run my own DevOps server based entirely on OSS. Is it github? No. Does it what I need it to do? Absolutely. Do I get 99.999% uptime? No, but when it's down or slow, I can fix it. When the corporate platform is down, I can only wait.

And "network effects" are not a good argument. Open Source was wildly successful long before centraliced DevOps platforms.

And in hindsight, the added friction of getting in touch with projects before being able to send them any code, was a benefit not a disadvantage. Because it acted as a barrier of entry that disincentivized alot of subpar code from hitting these projects in the first place.


> are relatively easy to host yourself.

The value these centralized services provide is the centralization itself - that makes things easy to find. Remember the web before Altavista? Finding anything was detective work, guessing domains, following links through multiple pages, digging in newsgroups, asking around, and so on.

Open source was successful, but not nearly at the same level it is now thanks to precisely platforms such as GitHub (and Launchpad, and Bitbucket, and Gitlab, etc) that added useful functionality such as bug trackers and project management on top of a version control system.

Now, if we could do something like GitHub on top of a network such as Mastodon, then we would have something that's centralized enough to be useful and distributed enough to be indestructible.


> Finding anything was detective work

And in recent years, how is the centralized world of websearch doing?

https://www.techspot.com/news/101560-study-confirms-search-r...

> Open source was successful, but not nearly at the same level it is now thanks to precisely platforms such as GitHub (and Launchpad, and Bitbucket, and Gitlab, etc) that added useful functionality such as bug trackers and project management on top of a version control system.

None of that depends on a centralized provider. I have all the features you listed on my self-hosted platform as well.


Infrastructure can at least be content-politically neutral.


Not even that is really the case.

Even if whoever owns and runs the infra would like that to be the case, the law of wherever they are can put restrictions on this as well.


Sounds like a question the AI labs should answer. After all, they all say they sell artificial intelligence.

So why does that intelligence seem to have a hard time even showing its own usefulness?


Shouldn't it be the users that need to do any RoI measurements? Not sure you'll get detailed data from them easily.


Is public opinion important to an industry whos future depends on datacenters being built for hundreds of billions of dollars, while the people all around them, whos utilities get more and more expensive in no small part because of datacenter buildouts, experience a constant cost of living crisis...

...yeah, that's a tough one...


> Economies of scale -> more energy = bigger electric plants = cheaper energy.

Problem is; power plants are not something that can be spun up with a kubectl invocation.

Power plants need to be built. This process takes YEARS, and in some cases over a decade. And that's just the plants themselves. The grid also has to be built out to be able to handle the new load.

And while this potentially +10year process is ongoing, the current supply is gobbled up, and prices for consumers skyrocket.

Yes, eventuelly, market forces may solve the issue. By then however, it will already be too late for many areas, with residents being priced out of a basic utility.

Or worse, the markets may not solve the issue at all.

Because; all this building out of electrical gear and power plants, requires very specific resources and talent. Whta if the markets decide that these resources are much better allocated (at least from the PoV of company shareholders), in building power generation capacity exclusively for datacenters, and the consumer market is simply ignored?


The largest build-out, which is in renewables, features plants that can go up very quickly, at least. The grid upgrades are the bigger bottleneck.


> largest build-out, which is in renewables

Yes and... it's still a projected ~50/50 split of future datacenter energy growth being met by renewables or coal (China) + natural gas (US). https://www.iea.org/reports/energy-and-ai/energy-supply-for-...


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