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Similarly to categorize Beckett as a movie.


Indeed they don’t move very much in Godot. More like a standie-sittie than a movie.


In The Ticket That Exploded, William S. Burroughs proposes language is a virus in itself, coming from the Outside, and infecting the host with it's control logic. In Radio Free Abemuth, Philip K. Dick attributes a similar possession to a benevolent force, akin to the divine Logos flourishing intelligent development. Both seem open to an impersonal agency that maps to intelligent systems encoded in their transfer protocols.


The english language pattern is definitely shaping our thoughts and limiting our ideas. Just the whole idea of going from some abstract thought to actually making it out in tangible language, I mean no matter the thought it's a lossy transfer into a medium that lacks all the dimensionality of subconscious thought, neurotransmitter action, sensory information, and physiological response.

There's also something to consider with lower level vs higher level abstractions in language. E.g. jargon. One short word could have a 200 page thesis behind it defining all the ramifications. Talk about compression of information.

Now imagine if our language lacked say the mechanism of jargon, of using some meta word to define thousands of stringed together words at once. Every idea like "car" would have to be described from first principles. The species would probably never develop technology with this sort of language pattern present. If we could somehow level up beyond our current abstraction level, maybe that would make us even smarter, able to handle bigger ideas quicker in real time.

Even more simply than all this: I can only speak about what I have english words for.


If you are fluent in a second language, you understand that the only way to become truly fluent is not just to learn the tangible aspects - the vocabulary, grammar, references, expressions, etc - you have to learn to think like the language/culture.

It’s a combination of cultural assumptions, facial expressions and affectations, thinking patterns, and a whole cultural upbringing that can lead you to very different mental processes and natural conclusions starting from the same words and phrases.

Language absolutely encodes a certain form of intelligence. A lot of those things are reflected not just in the totality of the culture but the language itself. Being fluent leads you to different thinking patterns and different conclusions when processing in that language.


Absolutely? I don't think it does so much. People speaking different languages seem to have very similar thoughts. It's true that fluency is a wholistic performance, but I don't think there are any particular thoughts that can't be translated.


It is tougher with european languages from the influence of latin and the sort of mutt that is english. They are all pretty related. That being said when I learned spanish I felt the way they put adjectives after the noun in spanish leads to a sort of different thinking pattern. Car red instead of red car. A bunch of more distant languages though there's no European language equivalent for certain words or concepts. I'm not sure about the sentance structures, but if its a lot different than european languages, I wouldn't be surprised if this changes thinking. I've heard in some languages they don't have a concept of "self" or "I".


That idea is also present in Snowcrash (and the Bible?) in a slightly different form - that our current fragmented languages are a way to protect us from the 'mind control' that results from having a single shared language - with some more layers of fantasy on top.


At one point there was a universal language, and later either recreated or scrambled, allowing for humans to have many languages for increased confusion.

Now that we are once again attempting to unify our language we find ourselves in a pursuit to build something to escape the Earth.


There is no evidence there was ever a universal language. Or am I missing a joke here?


I am speaking of biblical sources as reasoning or evidence. If you read different books and hold a different faith that would explain the missing part.


Right, I said evidence. Very few Christians believe the story of Babel literally, and no evidence backs it up.


The Tower of Babel? Is that what you mean?


Correct. The people of earth, after the great flood, built a structure to avoid future floods but were interrupted by a multidimensional being through confusion of languages.


Do you think these people also knew about all the other continents of Earth with other people on them? It seems possible to me it happened on one continent but seems unlikely they really knew about everyone at the time.


Fun question. The people of Cain had cities, Cain was concerned that he would be restless wanderer on the earth with fear of vigilantes. During this time there was a single language, with humans (with very long life spans) filling the earth. Nineveh and Calah were two large cities, further from Eden it would seem, meaning there was sea travel and being pre-flood, the land configuration may have been significantly different.



Language are the tokens in the inference output. How they are ordered comes from the weights, and the weights come from the microtubules holding and collapsing quantum state. Orch OR.


Sage thoughts, trash88


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