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I don’t understand the point you are trying to make. Is it that since the person didn’t find the page they were looking for, they must be a Chinese plant?

Try reading the entire context of the thread this time.

I’d rather look at the most amateurish indie posters plastered all over a wall than waste even a second looking at machine-generated nonsense.


Very well stated

People in this comments page who are defending the crazy rationalist sects can be safely treated as though they’re arguing in bad faith. It matters little whether they are, or if they’ve ODed on their manbaby kool-aid and truly believe their nonsense; they’re just here to waste your time.


I mean they did claim that pointing to science to support your position in an argument is tantamount to dogmatic faith, so I don’t think you need to worry about impugning what isn’t there


pointing to a "consensus" which is antithetical to science method.

but ye, who I am to persecute people based on their beliefs, this is for religious people to do.


This is the last reply you get because you’re already convinced you’re smarter than I am. Who knows, maybe you are, but disbelieving scientists sounds pretty stupid to me.

Science is peer reviewed by field experts who constantly test and develop said expertise in order to defeat their own biases, and their work backed by data. Scientists openly invite criticism and deconstruction of their work. That, nominally, is the whole point of getting your work published.

That’s a far cry from the dogmatic acceptance of faith that you’re pretending it is


^^ Behold the religious belief in "peer review" "field experts" and the attempt at argument reversal at the end.

This is what middle ages were famous for, and it took Renaissance to get rid of this.

edit: Giordano Bruno was burned at stake for challengin people like you.


Why don’t we throw a data center off a cliff and find out


This is a bad faith argument and the commenter knows it


My favorite genre of hacker news comment is when someone lacks sufficient imagination to wonder why something that’s commonly used by many people is still in use


FWIW, there's no real need for imagination here. The comment says "mostly", and added a parenthetical comment that was simply meant to name the viola as a prominent remaining use.

In particular, trombones have almost entirely stopped using the tenor clef in jazz.


It's true that jazz charts are unlikely to use tenor clef. Nonetheless, it remains career limiting for a trombonist to be unable to read clefs.

Commercial players are likely to use the skill for transposing Bb treble lead sheets, or playing in a pit. Tenor clef shows up in modern musicals regularly.

Not to mention being shunned from quartet or choir opportunities that are the basis of networking in the industry.


Transposing is an important skill for all instruments. It's true that trombonists get some cases for free if they learn the tenor and alto clefs, but it's possible to learn it without knowing the C clefs.

And even trombonists have to learn how to handle sharps and flats in chromatic passages, so there's a lot more to transposing than using a different clef.

> Tenor clef shows up in modern musicals regularly.

This I didn't know, thanks!


Not a piano, and not relevant to the parent remark.


And that isn't a nuanced opinion; a common one among rigid materialists. Its not the best piano for a stage, but I am sure it could fool your ears in a recording. Morpheus would think it was a piano too. "What is real? ..."


You were responding to a comment about how difficult it is to achieve an arbitrary tuning in a piano by bringing up a software piano. It’s a non-sequitur.

Alice: “I have this piano that I need to tune, but tuning pianos is very difficult and I don’t know how”

Bob: “my computer can make any note”


My favorite similar statistic is that the average human body contains more than one human skeleton


or the average human has <2 legs


Ooh I like this one


Why is cloudflare a problem?


Because they slow down and often block access to websites, particularly for people that try to avoid being fingerprinted or otherwise tracked. Pretty evil behavior.


It is very challenging to distinguish individuals interested in privacy from bots acting maliciously or with reckless indifference. If you devise a way to do this more effectively than Cloudflare, you should start a business to sell this as a service.


Sure, I am practicing understanding for the tyranny around me everyday when I wake up, as a meditation exercise.

Answers like yours kill the little remaining faith I have in people.

This same argument has been used to defend sloppily implemented CAPTCHAS destroying accessibility since what, 20 years.


My employer is a small business that has an e-commerce website that is attacked by fraudsters trying to validate stolen credit cards or obtain customer information hundreds of times per day. Operations like CloudFlare are the only way to foil these actors. Just trusting you is not a viable strategy.


Your rate limits on adding and removing credit cards? Your input sanitization? Designing your system to not just disclose details around anything but that relevant to a logged in/authenticated user?

There are many practical ways to handle that sort of thing that isn't Cloudflare. It just requires thinking and a bit of dev time.

t. Been there, done that, cartels used an app to try to launder money through loyalty programs. Management was deadset against doing the one single thing that would make it impossible to do that at scale.

Ulterior motives abound everywhere but especially behind people claiming X is the only answer. Fingerprinting is far more intrusive than just only allowing one to add at max 2 cards a day per user.


> Your rate limits on adding and removing credit cards?

All those requests will appear from different ip's and different browsers, made by someone who can spend months on trying to defraud you. How do you differentiate this from valid customer who happens to try to buy something between 20 tries by bots?

> Your input sanitization?

All those fraud requests will give you valid credit cards which will work perfectly, but then defrauded people or banks will try to chargeback later.

> Designing your system to not just disclose details around anything but that relevant to a logged in/authenticated user?

They can register as normal buyers.

> It just requires thinking and a bit of dev time.

And they can spend months trying to outthink you, then will drain your service in 4 hours when you are asleep.

> Management was deadset against doing the one single thing that would make it impossible to do that at scale.

So, did you actually ever implemented and checked a good solution? Cloudflare isn't perfect, but not everyone has resources to implement their own solution that is better than cloudflare.

> Fingerprinting is far more intrusive than just only allowing one to add at max 2 cards a day per user.

The fraudsters will appear as completely new users each time, adding only one card and making one purchase.


> All those fraud requests will give you valid credit cards which will work perfectly, but then defrauded people or banks will try to chargeback later.

How are they getting pass 3D-S?

If they are able to get past it, then your liability drops off.

Yes it could be designed better, but that is a separate discussion.


The people who downvote could propose how to solve the fraudster problem instead of shooting the messenger.


That isn't the done thing here, lamentably. Downvote is a de facto disagree button


Don't listen to these hecklers, you have every right to your privacy, and should demand it. Anonymity is paramount if people want to be able to talk without repercussions. Gaslighting, heckling and other forms of harassment are to convince you to self censor. Don't take the bait. Ignore them.


"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."


Hanlon's Razor is especially effective at getting Good people to put out their own eyes to keep them nice and soft targets for the malicious. I'll take being a harder to find likable by people I have no desire to be liked by to make myself a harder mark. The honest ones will understand. The malicious were never worth being close with, and I'm doing the world a service by getting the borderline enlightened.

Sufficiently advanced stupidity being indistinguishable from malice is also something to keep in mind.


well in my experience mostly you get either:

- stupidity

- stupidity and malice


> Because they slow down and often block access to websites, particularly for people that try to avoid being fingerprinted or otherwise tracked. Pretty evil behavior.

Bots and scrapers and hackers also try and avoid being tracked, which is by far a bigger problem for them and most websites than the 15 of us using tons of antifingerprinting techniques. Evil? No, that's silly.


Cloudflare doesn't reliably let me through.


It regularly blocks me too. I've begun search Google for: what does [url] say about [search query]

It'll make a Gemini summary of the page, and can be prompted for more details. It's really the only use for Gemini I've found reliable. I'd still rather directly view the output of the scraper bot, though.

If anyone knows a good scraping bot that lets you view the output directly, without running it through an LLM, please let me know.


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