This also tickles some part of my brain that likes watching spinners, and it gives you an intuitive idea of what’s happening on your system. But for those who find it scary you could just default to a splash.
LG: No. ACR in LG TVs does not collect or store screenshots, screen images, screen recordings...
Hold on, we already know this is not true. There is even an option in the settings to disable this (which is usually automatically reverted by LG within a week).
> ACR in LG TVs does not collect or store screenshots, screen images, screen recordings, or video recordings from the TV. Instead, it uses audio fingerprints generated from content audio using the TV’s internal soundboard (not a speaker) to identify the content being viewed.
So based on the fingerprint they know what content is being displayed, but they can say they're not recording your screen.
I think this answer might be one of ‘technically the truth’, as in they might not be doing it BUT:
i know my LG TV(made in Q1 2026) has the capability to capture inputs(regardless of the input)….I know because I rooted it and built an out of band vnc server using the image capture binary.
(Its slow and limited resolution.My best guess that the intent was to ACR)
There's a lot of "carefully written" nonsense going on.
For example, I remember when whatsapp was end-to-end encrypted. However the app could analyze the images for specific patterns like CSAM and send notifications-about-the-image-that-are-not-the-image out-of-band.
I would expect this could also coincidentally analyze messages/images for other patterns like other keywords. This way you could have end-to-end encryption that could still build up advertising profiles.
It seems to be little known to people, but when you go through airport security simply say "I decline to have my photo taken" and they won't ask you to take the stupid photo. They look at you, they still scan your DL, but no photo.
I've never had any pushback and apparently it's a legal right to not have a photo taken.
Correct. You can even go through with an ID. I have.
A couple other notes of interest. There is an active bill[1] that seeks to codify a prohibition of involuntary facial recognition for citizen travel screening. And I suspect that as many conservative Amish, Mennonites, Jews and Muslims have religious objections to having their photo taken, a first amendment protection against facial biometric collection may continue to exist for some time as a bare minimum.
not the guy who downvoted you, but you shoehorned in something you wanted to talk about 4 comments deep on a chain as a counter point to a very casual remark that was fully appropriate in its context and didnt call for a hard counter
and the topic you wanted to talk about was so information dense (if steel manning) as to be seen as gibberish
its not that deep, you are using your own short hand language that no one else is familiar with - it is the equivalent of saying a bunch of corporate buzzwords together. thats not to say there is no meaning behind it, just that the information cannot be discerned from the signal.
your message is encrypted, so it looks like gibberish. people will downvote that. i could run this through a hashing function and give you the result and you would downvote it because it would mean nothing to you. it doesnt matter what the truth of the message is if the actual communication does not exist
I work in marketing. LG literally offers to target people who've recently watched a competitor's ad. When I asked how that's possible the sales guy openly admitted that "they know what's showing on their panels."
Maybe he just said that to make a sale, but yeah the fact they offer that targeting alone is quite telling.
> "we know who's in the LG household. We know which devices are there. We know what you're exposed to on TV and we know how to extend that reach into mobile."
> "Most streaming households subscribe to multiple streaming services. So, our line of sight to the screen can really help our partners."
> "We own the glass. We own the TV."
> "We own the glass"
> "Since we own the screen, and we own the operating system..."
LG's statements about how much they can help their advertising partners just get so much worse as the rest of the video goes on.
LG absolutely need to be slapped out of thinking they "own" anything after the point of sale, and the only way to do this, given how laden with spyware these TVs are, is to NEVER BUY THEM.
"own the glass" refers to the very last step in the advertising display chain. You might not notice it because it's invisible to the end user, but basically every step in the signal chain from studio to eyeball is trying to rip out the previous step's ads and overwrite them with its own. Glass is the last step before eyeballs, so it gets ultimate authority.
They are lying through their teeth. We know from independent investigations and reverse engineering efforts that the TVs capture audio/video for the mothership. Also, the devices are effectively remotely controlled and can be updated at a moment's notice to suit the current commercial strategy of the true owner of the device (it's not you).
note they didn't say "LG TVs do not…" which might indicate whatever lawyer drafted this found a vaguely legally plausible way to attribute that to something other than ACR
Every word in that statement is key for it to be true.
For example, if they screen-scrape locally and extract/collect metadata, then the statement is true technically true. I'm sure you can think of many other subtle variations of the truth where the statement is not false but still misleading.
I don't think they're denying anything. I think they're muddying the technologies. They're saying "we don't need the screenshot to know what's displayed on your screen". With ACR, you don't need screenshots because you know what the content is. My understanding is that ACR is basically a fingerprint of the screenshot.
Right, that hash is an entrypkint to match to a screenshot elsewhere. A perceptu hash, pseodo anonymity. A lawyers-coders lie. A polices parallel construction. LG still knows what you watch.
One aspect, perhaps worthy of some scrutiny, is how the database of hashes is produced. One presumes there's an assortment of cable boxes and/or satellite dishes feeding hundreds of channels into an ingestion mechanism that stores the fingerprints into a database. There are a lot of edge cases that are technically challenging, especially when considering the 210 or so local markets in the US. It'd be interesting to learn how that is done and whether any digital locks are circumvented in the process.
You don’t have to be perfect, just best effort. Sticking to the top dozen channels, commercials, plus the rolling list of top ten streaming movies/tv shows, probably lets you get 70%+ hit rate.
There will always be unidentifiable content (home movies, one of a trillion YouTube videos, video games, etc).
You jest, but ssh/git has a similar problem. The client tries every key it can if the config is naive enough. So, the server knows which cluster of public keys identify the same person. Github is said to do this kind of fingerprinting.
Actually keeping screenshots would be expensive. They of course don't care what the content is. You care what the PGP content is.
They care about what you're watching, so in the dystopian future, they can tell a government that your bin of hashes are 90% banned content and you should be denaturalized because you're clearly a communist cross-dressing monkey from mars.
It's bizarre you think it's equal to knowing a PGP key. It's not, the point is the database of hashes are good enough to tell them things about you. They could do a lot of different malicious things with that knowledge, primarily because it's not anonymous information. They likely have GPS, so they know where you are at the same time, even not having GPS, they include wifi, and some have cellular chips.
If you think what we're talking about equates to PGP, you are seriously confused about how privacy works.
Makes sense, in a dystopian future the dystopian government would issue 2026 era TVs to everyone but strangely ban all 2026 monitors (which aren't smart), closing the gap where the dystopian government is unable to stop people from rooting their amazon fire tv sticks (somehow).
My point is, the "slippery slope to dystopia" is full of rocks and I'd like to force you to mentally crahs into a few before anyone accepts your premise, show us you're worthy.
"ACR uses audio fingerprinting technology using the TV’s internal audio processor (not a speaker) to identify content and does not collect screenshots, screen recordings, video recordings, voice recordings, or other audio recordings from the TV. Where ACR is available and enabled, ACR-related information may be used for audience segmentation and viewing or audience trend analysis. Interest-based advertising and cross-device advertising require separate user consent through the applicable advertising-related agreements."
... and later ...
"ACR uses audio fingerprinting technology to identify content. Rather than collecting screenshots, screen recordings, or visual content from the TV screen, ACR extracts a digital fingerprint of the TV content being viewed using the TV’s internal audio processor (not a speaker). ACR does not collect or store voice recordings, other audio recordings, screenshots, screen images, or video recordings from the TV."
I really liked the DAW itself, but how does it handle VST's? I tried setting my studio up on Linux with Bitwig a while ago and it was causing me a lot of pain and I gave up. Ableton is the only reason I still keep a dual-boot.
VSTs work perfectly fine in Bitwig. Whether a plugin supports linux is a different question though. I've tried to run windows VSTs via yabridge under linux but that was barely usable.
It was last year and then I tried again some weeks ago. The issues I had were sometimes crackling audio and not being able to close a plugin's GUI window.
Yes, I remember trying to set up Omnisphere and it just wouldn't work for me. So my issues were related to windows VST's. I used Wine and yabridge, which did install them but they weren't usable.
What assets do they have? A bunch of models that at best are 3 months before the competition? And based on their own reports can easily be copied with only a few days worth of queries?
And they barely own any hardware, everything is rented from competitors at a very high price.
Knowhow? Dont make me laugh. Google and deepseek are doing the innovation. When did Anthropic published a cool idea?
Infrastructure? They dont own any, and since their training and inference is notoriously inefficient they are bleeding money to data center providers.
Customers? Their customer list is shrinking by the day. Companies are reducing their token budget. Some completely moving to on-prem.
Mindshare? Your grandma probably knows about chatgpt but who is claude? Also everyone on the left and the right hate Anthropic right now.
Exactly what here is worth this much money??
I personally will pull out of any index fund that includes openai and anthropic. Let someone else loose their savings.
If you paid for X but are now receiving Y, you should be entitled to get your money back.
Every time I consider going back to Claude, I remember that mysterious week in February when Claude was failing to do even the simplest things. Things were so bad that BigPickle was correcting errors Sonnet was making.
And let's not forget the king of A/B testing here. Google has no issues breaking products for months just to test some ridiculous idea.These people should be publicly fired.
> Every time I consider going back to Claude, I remember that mysterious week in February when Claude was failing to do even the simplest things
100% agree. I don't care how many reddit bots i see praising Claude, I bought max once wanting to see what the fuss was about, and the next day they broke the product and it was really embittering
Google is known to make user facing A/B testing whenever they feel like it.
They can one day decide to rearrange the Gmail interface to absurd levels by removing the TO field or replacing everything with a big Gemini button. Then push it out without any internal testing to half of the planet, and suddenly you are doing IT support for grandma who is convinced North Korean spies have hacked into her email...
Camera-only systems like the Tesla cannot handle some weather conditions and should not allowed on European roads.
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