Hard to take this seriously when the website is obviously vibe-coded without a single ounce of effort or taste.

Also, what exactly is the point of this petition? I guess Orkut (creator) wants to use it as validation for potential users, perhaps to show to potential investors about the possible interest for the platform.

But honestly, just start. Give Brazilian MySpace another change

I mean, I’d argue that the overwhelming majority of the populous is not doing physical activity as they should. Even in a future with gym “for the mind”, I also assume attendance to be low.

We have 'gym for the mind' now in the form of puzzles (eg crosswords, quizes). It's a different sort of complexity to writing assembly or proving mathematical identities ... most people weren't doing those things though. I'm more concerned that as a species rigorous education is giving way to machine-learning.

So at the beginning of the story you started with a rented space you and others practice yoga, and the end result is that you lost your practice room, without gaining anything else other then… slightly more confidence?

Is there supposed to be a teaching in here?

To not be a pushover. The alternative is also not getting what they want: a cold yoga space. So this is probably the better outcome.

> The alternative is also not getting what they want: a cold yoga space.

The alternative was using the phone call with the manager to calmly explain the situation and try to negotiate.

The blog kept talking about using "no" as a starting point for negotiating, then when the negotiation opportunity peaked he refused to listen to the other person and gloated about it.

The second half of the book's advice (the negotiate part) flew right over his head. He was too stuck on the "No" part.

It seems to me that the person who wasn't listening was the manager who ignored the reasonable reasons for not wanting a cold room and made up some bullshit about compressors.

The blog literally says "I didn't care to understand" to demonstrate that he was not interested in listening.

I would not assume the manager was making things up. He might have truly believed what he was saying. In these situations if you take the time to understand, you can get a lot of leverage by getting to the root of their concerns and then building a pathway to address them mutually.

If they thought it was going to harm the compressor, you would listen and understand their concerns. Then you would explain that you are familiar with the system and can show them that it won't cause harm to the compressor. Then you propose a reasonable alternative, such as offering to set it to the desired temperature as soon as you leave and possibly sending them some authoritative HVAC source to allay their fears.

The person in this story didn't even try to do that.

If you spend time with professional sales people (the good ones), the first thing you learn is that you have to listen to the other side, understand the root of their concerns, and work toward a mutual resolution. If you shut down and refuse to even listen, you get nowhere like this guy.

We have only one side of the story and he didn’t give us any details of what the manager actually said. He also mentions the manager said something about “costs”. The author’s wants are reasonable but that doesn’t mean the manager’s wants aren’t also reasonable.

What it seems they wanted was hot yoga space. With 2:30 hours of rent... When every single other user of space wanted slightly cold or reasonably air conditioned space. Maybe for good reasons like temperature raising during the day and thus wanting to buffer it more.

Yeah I think comments should be restricted to people who have lived in regular 37C/100F plus days. That will be most of us soon enough. Sure keep your AC off to mid morning lol!

The options aren't ≥37° xor =18°. Setpoints are ubiquitous and timers very common, too. They nearly got somewhere when talking about cooling different rooms by different amounts!

I don't do sports but assuming the muscle heat requirement is a thing, how does anyone exercise or do heavy work outside in countries where the temperature falls to 18° some days of the year? Presumably one could use a jacket? And how do the office workers manage in 18° air? I'm a dude and I'd still freeze my nipples off when doing desk work when you can cook eggs outside and I came in a t-shirt. There's so much here that isn't explored and then the story ends open-ended. It doesn't seem useful even as an n=1 anecdote

I am talking more about the amount of energy in the air outside and locked into the thermal mass of the building.

If the AC got turned off last night the building is sort of like the burning embers of a fire that will reheat the room, then at 8 or 9am you are at 30C and your building is getting that energy too.

To win that race your AC may need to come in early. Even earlier than a yogi rises from bed to their practice!

> I don't do sports but assuming the muscle heat requirement is a thing

Metabolism produces heat, human bodies have a complex heat management system, that for reasons of physics, is much better at heating itself up when it's cold, than cooling itself when it's hot.

> how does anyone exercise or do heavy work outside in countries where the temperature falls to 18° some days of the year?

18°C is t-shirt territory if you're exercising or doing physical work. As you go below that, you adjust your clothing to keep enough body heat, trying to maintain the point when you aren't sweating badly at peak effort.

But that seems to have little to do with the quote... I'm confused.

That's how boundaries work. When you set them, you define your actions when they are crossed, and you accept the consequences of those actions.

It doesn't magically give you the upper hand in one-sided negotiations. It only ensures that your actions are in line with your principles.

Also this doesn’t even feel the same “no and negotiate” he’s advocating for? This is straight up “No.” Territory. He rents the dang space it’s not anyone else’s decision.

It could be someone else’s decision, it depends on what the rental agreement says. If it’s not specified, then that’s a good lesson learned for next time.

He doesn’t any more.

It feels like a LinkedIn post without the payoff.

I don’t think he actually lost the practice room. The person speaking was not the owner.

At the very least it's a cliff hanger.

If the authority figure has the balls to say 'fine, I'll get your contract terminated' I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that was exactly the outcome.

You should probably be a bit more surprised. There is a class of people (specially) in business, who threaten a lot habitually and don't act on it, if you call the bluff.

The reason is that a lot of people do cave. "Free" wins. If it does not work, they just pretend nothing happened.

If a professional group of people are wasting their time and attention on you then it's fruitful to imagine what resources they may have to leverage against you, I don't think that's hard to argue.

Few people cave when there are lots of eyes on them., and less people make empty threats with a bar full of spectators - that's why punches get thrown.

Regardless : 'I'm a renter' is by no means a strong argument unless you have a very specifically worded renter agreement -- it's pretty obviously a bad idea to anger the crowd of presumably better paying tenants, what would you do as a land owner, kick out the group every other tenant hates or change policy to protect the small fry?

> what would you do as a land owner

Nothing. You would do nothing.

You want both to stay, because you also don't enjoy losing any amount of money, and not doing anything is most likely going to get you that.

From the "I'll get you thrown out"-party, it's the same tactic again, directed at the landlord this time. Moving buildings is neither fun nor cheap. Your employees would have to go somewhere else, there might not be anywhere else close by that is convenient to you or as nice/familiar as the place you got, some people might quit over any annoyance this brings too.

Nobody enjoys this shit. There are contracts. There are lawyers. It's never fun to do these things and it can all be dragged out for a long time. Being a somewhat bigger renter is (fortunately) not something that helps you in a court of law.

> Regardless : 'I'm a renter' is by no means a strong argument unless you have a very specifically worded renter agreement

It's a very strong default argument, unless you have a specifically worded agreement, that would strip you of a potential right.

'expecting it to happen' != 'not being surprised by it'. Indeed, I'd also expect that the person is bluffing about that ability, but it also wouldn't surprise me if they did manage

They also threaten things that they have no real power or authority to actually do, because they are used to people just rolling over and letting them get their way.

Well you don't actually know that from the story.

Being in the same yacht club as the owner of the building conveys these kind of powers - it's like no one has encountered preferential treatment, good or bad, before.

Agree, I was speaking more generally about the type of person who is just bossy because they usually get away with it.

Teaching, yes: one should stand for what's important and there might be costs, one should do that despite the costs. Life is not only about gaining some short-term things.