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It wouldn't be the first time in history sabotage by "Russians" resulted in the collision of opposing forces near Toledo.

I cordially invite you to take a tour of Equifax's entire development floor, or any AT&T campus in the metro Atlanta area.

Don't play dumb. Cisco and others have already had to litigate intra-caste nepotism disputes between dalits and brahmin--in America--and lost.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23697083


> That still counts as programming I would say, we're just changing the language.

Anything can be anything it isn't once you start changing the language.

"When at first you don't succeed, redefine success."

> Having software build software is programming. An agent is software, a human isn't. I can draw a UML diagram, software generates code from that, and software turns it into binary.

It's not programming, it's cuckoldry. Articulating the perfect guy, inviting him over and watching him get to do all the stuff you used to enjoy literally makes you a manager.


> Also, debugging natural language feels super icky. Which statement was it that got the password out of the formal spec?

Everyone's a lawyer now.


> At least at hotels you can show up whenever you want. Stop for dinner, stop for gas, "we'll leave the light on for you."

This has bitten me in the ass. I fully prepaid for a booking via Expedia but due to plane delays arrived a few hours late (1am). By the time I got there the hotel had rented the room to someone else, had no more available, and everyone else in town was booked.

They blamed me for not checking in on time but considering there was a room available for the couple that came in after us, the real story is that there was a convention going on in town and last-minute attendees were willing to pay 10x more than I did. So they silently dropped my reservation and left me to fuck myself.

Don't count on hotels letting you check in whenever you want. Times have changed...


Yep, the last few I tried to book came back trying to shake me down for additional deposits via third party platform.

Anytime a company pisses me off I set up a while loop to generate Luhn-compliant 16-digit numbers and spam them on every html form on the site.

PCI audits are fun for everyone


> Im not a lawyer but i believe just following orders isnt considered a valid excuse

This is sophistry that was used to condemn Nazis but has never applied to any context outside of the Nuremberg trials. Fail to follow orders and you're shot as a traitor. Follow them and you're hanged as a war criminal. "Just follow orders" is the basis of paid employment itself.

It is assumed that those giving bad orders will be held responsible for doing so, but this rarely proves to be the case. See the eBay harassment of the Steiners. Everybody involved that followed orders was punished except the executive that signed off on and provided support for the operation.

But in the Equifax breach, two executives were fired following criminal intrusion by Chinese hackers they had no involvement with. Everyone that neglected to follow orders to patch Struts probably still works there.

The rules are arbitrary.


It’s hilarious that I started this thread by saying that software engineers should start to be held liable like real engineers and in the replies we have somehow decided to use… Nazis… as the analogy? What?

This doesn’t need an analogy.

Why not just look up examples of engineers disclosing breaches of code/contract? Every state has lists of complaints brought to their engineering board with results and disciplinary actions.


Ok sure, not in the eyes of the law. But ethically

Golden parachutes mitigate those risks. The company may tank, but they get theirs.

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