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Out of curiosity, how so?


I was there a couple months ago and all the cities I visited felt very poor. The buildings were depressing and drab, the trains were frequently delayed, the food was probably the worst I had anywhere in Europe.


    > [T]he food was probably the worst I had anywhere in Europe.
Weird: Any medium-to-large city will have great Turkish food. Do you not like Turkish food?


I had 2 hour transfer in Frankfurt am Mein, so I wanted to do something that is Germany is know for, so I decided to get a nice doenner kebab (it was good :))

(Btw. Last week I was in Istanbul; maybe unlucky, but I did not like kebab in Turkey, ingredients were somehow strange)


I had the same experience. I was very excited to try a Doner in Istanbul, because one of my favorite restaurants in Seattle was a Doner place (The Berliner). They didn't seem to know what I meant. I got something they insisted was a Doner, but not really the same sort of thing.

Not sure if the Seattle place is really Americanized or I need to save up and try one in Germany.

Plenty of great Turkish food btw, but obviously Doner's are not really a local thing.


Product market fit.


I agree, plus we need to make public transit safer and cleaner (I live in Los Angeles and love the metro, but it can be edgy).


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