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> a new neighbor had spotted Faith just outside a fence on Wissner’s property

Wording could be taken either way, and I could be wrong, but it almost sounds like the dog was not on the property of its owner, and was over the fence in the neighbours property?

We have a huge problem with pet cats that stray from their properties and eat birds/fish/etc in neighbouring properties... if one turns up on my property, I trap it and send it to the shelter specifically so the owner gets fined, even though I know who owns it. It's what our local council/government recommend we do considering the owners already know it's illegal for pet cats to be off their property here (or even outside of their house after dark, which is almost always when we trap them in our yard).


> Faith was outside the livestock fence but still on Wissner's property, he said.

> it's illegal for pet cats to be off their property here

So, is it deliberate that this is indistinguishable from making outside cats illegal? Otherwise how the heck are owners supposed to ensure cats stay on their property?


> Otherwise how the heck are owners supposed to ensure cats stay on their property?

Sounds like that's their problem to figure out, and I think that's right. I would 1000 times rather have more birds at my feeders than the neighbor's cat pooping in my yard, hunting birds and bothering my dog.

Let them put in a good fence, electric collar, leash with one of those zip line things - whatever they have to do.


On the other hand, assuming you are in North America or Europe in a typical urban or suburban environment, somewhere around 30-60% of the bird species in your area will be non-native.

At bird feeders the percentage of individual visitors that are non-native is often much higher. The non-natives tend to be more generalist eaters, whereas the native specifies tend to stick more to their native diet which isn't as well served by most feeders.

By drawing in these generalist non-natives feeders tend to actually displace native birds from the surrounding area.

That's why when I was feeding birds I didn't really worry about cats getting into my yard. I couldn't think of a way to make a good argument that the line of how much harm it is OK to do to the native environment for your enjoyment is somewhere between the harm feeding non-native birds does and the harm the neighborhood cats do (especially since I've never seen a cat catch a bird in my yard).


Reasonable. I like cats well enough, but I find that cat owners are usually very irrational about people disliking other people's cats causing issues, especially compared to dog owners. I don't really understand why.

Dogs are easier to train and control than cats. A dog being a menace outside can be put on a leash. That's not always an option for a cat, which in practice means the cat owner knowing the only option is to confine their cat indoors. Which many don't want to do. (Mine gets semi-supervised time outside. I put a GPS collar on him from time to time, however, and he doesn't go far and comes back quite quickly. He's also seventeen and so past his most urgent hunting days, though we did have an issue with him letting in an elk last winter.)

Cats are like us. They don't give a fuck and consider the planet their private resort. It's what I like about them.

> Otherwise how the heck are owners supposed to ensure cats stay on their property?

I have an electric fence; cats sense it and avoid it. 20+ years without a cat getting off the property.


Outdoor domestic cats should be illegal. They destroy the ecosystem. You should be thankful parent does not trap and kill the animals.

> You should be thankful parent does not trap and kill the animals.

you know how crazy you sound?


That’s genuinely what happens here.

what is genuinely what happens? stray cats are put down by animal control?

read the exchange in which i told someone they sounded crazy. understand it in context, and try to be less eager to blurt out your first reaction. god damn.


Your neighbors do not always share the same values towards invasive species as pets.

If you care about the environment you should not let your cat wander. If you don't care about that, you should not be surprised when others do.


capturing your neighbor's pets and killing them is a bit of serial killer behavior.

I didn't get an 'outside cat' that shits in my yard and kills my songbirds.

If you'd like that pleasure, you're welcome to it. You just don't get to inflict your particular masochist tendencies on your neighbors.


Your songbirds?

The irony of "control your animals" while referring to wild birds as "yours" is ... interesting.


No need to guess…

> In Faith's case, Wissner said, the neighbor apparently didn't realize the fence line and property line weren't the same


They still could have called, and the shelter could have as well.

Definitely agree on that. First thing I do is look for a tag/number. Taking the dog to a shelter is like Russian roulette, dog may get euthanized if nobody shows up looking for it within ?? days.

It’s weird because it’s like a series of well meaning people that dropped the ball on what was the most obvious action to take.


One spring a bird built a nest in a tree outside my 80 yr old grandmother's kitchen window. She watched the nest every day and then the eggs hatched. The next day a neighbor's outdoor cat climbed the tree and killed all the baby birds. My grandmother complained to the neighbors but they didn't see what the problem was. Oh well.

The problem is that cats have trouble detecting which birds have backstories.

> if one turns up on my property, I trap it and send it to the shelter specifically so the owner gets fined, even though I know who owns it.

I don’t know the full story here, but have you tried talking to your neighbor? Like, really tried in a way that takes their perspective seriously? Because what you’ve described here is essentially guaranteed to make the relationship worse and likely to cause other problems down the road. Heaven forbid you ever truly need this person’s help, you’re going to be in a tough spot.


> Wording could be taken either way, and I could be wrong, but it almost sounds like the dog was not on the property of its owner, and was over the fence in the neighbours property?

The concept of being on ranch property gets a bit nebulous in Wyoming when you realize much private land is checkerboarded with blm land and the ranchers have long term blm grazing leases. The dog being outside the rancher's private property doesn't mean it's not out doing its job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkerboarding_(land)


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Feral cats are an invasive species in most parts of the world and can be quite destructive, especially in large numbers

He literally said pet cats. Learn to read

Pet cats wandering free are proto feral cats.

> proto feral cats

Turns out that's not a thing. https://duckduckgo.com/?q="proto+feral+cats"

Looks like neutered pet cats are just that.


DuckDuckGo ?!? That's how you do your land and conservation? Please treat this seriously.

Not all pet cats are neutered, those that aren't breed.

Where do you think feral cats come from then? They were not native to Australia (for example) until pet cats were bought over.

* https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-10-17/research-project-ding...

* https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-10-07/malupirti-springs-cam...


Cats that like people, have a home, and won't make babies are not going to do much to add to feral cat numbers.

> and won't make babies

Neutered? Good.

Abandoned, not neutered? - Not Good, and heading toward a feral life.


...yes?

A pet cat wandering free is not in the latter category.


Until it is abandoned, as many are.

Quick question, do you actually live under a rock, have you never spoke to rescue workers at Cat Haven, are you fully clueless about the numbers of "pet cats" that end up as not pets?


But do you think that's common enough to label all outdoor cats as "proto feral"? I don't, especially when neutering factors in.

The vast majority of pets cats are neutered so they still don't go into the second category even if they get abandoned.


We disagree.

All un-neutered outdoor cats absolutely are potential feral cats.

Not all turn feral, not all abandoned - but all have the potential.

On this point I have actual life experience and have worked with town rangers and native conservationists who prefer their bilbies et al over the cats and foxes that kill them.

Introduced species left to run wild are an actual problem - although you appear to struggle to acknowledge that as fact.


If you're backing off your original statement to only the non-neutered cats then I'm satisfied enough.

My original statement stands.

Your reading of it is suspect.

All pet cats are potential feral cats - ones that are neutered will only prey on wildlife until they die without offspring. Cats that can breed will litter out wild cats if allowed to run wild.

It's pretty straight forward.


> Pet cats wandering free are proto feral cats.

> All un-neutered outdoor cats absolutely are potential feral cats.

These are very different statements, are they not? And the main difference is the neutering.

Edit for your addition: > All pet cats are potential feral cats - ones that are neutered will only prey on wildlife until they die without offspring. Cats that can breed will litter out wild cats if allowed to run wild.

But proper pets being abandoned is rarer and they can be recaptured much more easily and they don't contribute that much to the feral population.


Perhaps reread my all comments - the difference between a feral cat that spawns more feral cats and a cat turned feral that can't litter is the difference between spawn and no spawn - not between that cat having turned feral or not.

It's really hard to reply when you flip a coin between adding to your post and responding.

Neutered cats that lose their house don't usually become properly feral and even when they do it's not a big percent of feral cats as far as I can tell. It's a rare thing, outdoor cats are not "proto feral" as a whole.


The rangers here, in a rural area, disagree with you.

Abandoned cats either wander about looking for new owners or turn wild.

You and I disagree.


"Some people I know disagree" is not very helpful when you're not specifying what they disagree with.

Especially given that earlier crack about me "struggling to acknowledge" the idea of introduced species. You mentioned cats as an introduced species to someone else, not to me! And even then, a probably-deliberate release of cats 240 years ago into a cat-free land is very very different from modern pets in a land that already has lots of cats.


Pet cats, left unattended, can turn feral.

A number of abandoned cats do turn feral.

We know this, here in Australia, as most pet cats are chipped and when cats are captured rangers can test if they have been chipped (and whether the registered owners are still about).


Yet they still destroy local fauna, shit everywhere spreading disease, and are generally obnoxious

I would absolutely love and daily drive “modern Linux with Win95 UI”.

Skins and theming only gets it so far, I want it to actually be the Win95 front end with Linux underpinnings.


I recently saw this project, where someone got the Windows XP shell running as a Linux DE using a patched version of Wine. It supports both running Windows software under Wine and running Linux software. I doubt it's production ready yet, but it's pretty neat. https://github.com/mikuta0407/win4wine


You can’t even block YouTube on your kids devices because Screen Time doesn’t see that YT is installed.

A known bug for years now.

Then good luck getting the time limits to work. It’ll tell the kids “5 minutes left!” then just let them keep going.


And then Google intentionally makes it hard to filter their stuff, too. I can ostensibly enforce YouTube limits on my Firewalla, but if I try to do that, it basically ends up blocking Google altogether. Because Google serves up some YouTube assets from google.com. I doubt very much this is by accident.


That’s odd as I do that quite successfully with my kids.

Parental controls are far superior to Microsoft and epic.


Yeah I’m a huge fan too and pay for a subscription. It has basically fully replaced Photoshop for me for at least a few years now. Between Inkscape and Photopea I haven’t touched an Adobe graphics app in years.


Yeah I’ve been locked out for something like a year due to a config issue on the server side and haven’t been able to get a fix via email or irc so just gave up.

There’s lots of good retro-style communities around these days so I’ve moved on.


That’s how all “estimated damages” work. It’s all just made up by some random person who guesstimated a number then multiplied it by the maximum possible people effected, realistic or not.


Tell me "it's different" with this one please https://sustainability.stanford.edu/news/study-links-past-em...


There’s probably a reasonable methodology but it has a lot of multiplications and some base parameters that make the whole thing wildly sensitive.


Yes, it's actually based on an economic model seemingly developed with a detailed understanding of modern farming practices and historical effects of timeline disruptions on yields. It may be approximate but isn't just some random dude guesstimating based on vibes or something.

https://farmdocdaily.illinois.edu/2024/05/how-will-the-gps-o...

https://shiny.agmanager.info/cottonBotsDev/


It's an order of magnitude estimate of the worst case per acre, multiplied by a very course estimate of the number of acres affected, with little or no accounting for the length of the outage, the timing of the outage relative to specific crop-planting times in specific regions, and similar factors. It relies on manufacturer's estimates of the benefit of using their technology to assess the impact of not being able to use the technology. In other words, it's a SWAG.

Consider: the outage may have meant that some equipment would be slower, less accurate, or missing some features, causing time delays and other losses that may or may not be equivalent to using the non-GPS equipment. Or it could have rendered the equipment entirely unusable during the outage. It could even have permanently damaged the equipment (e.g. causing it to drive over an embankment or something). There is no apparent attempt to differentiate these outcomes, which could have significant impact on the estimate.


It's not reasonable because the error bars of each estimate compound and they may not even be normally distributed in the first place. You should rather convolve probability distributions - assuming factors are independent - and if the IQR covers a huge range, perhaps orders of magnitude even, you should state that.


> Another turned his computer that “wouldn’t behave” into IT, full of porn.

Every tech support worker has seen this countless times. So many people are completely blind to the idea that turning your device over to support means support can actually see what’s on your device…


It’s wild. It’s one of those “Do we have to tell you people to not do this?!?!?”


I built my own personal system for this as part of a custom “meal planning” app on my family intranet. Send a link of a random recipe to it (or a photo from your phone) and it strips out the ingredients and instructions and adds it to our own recipe system.

I love the idea of recipe sites and meal planning sites but like most of the web it’s all so user-hostile now that I don’t feel bad scraping stuff anymore. Short of a few exceptions which I do bookmark and visit, they’re all just taking recipes from other sites anyway and adding paragraphs of blogspam and/or AI slop to it.


Sony got my domain registrar to transfer my domain to them without a single email or notice to me whatsoever. I had been using it since the late 90s or early 2000s when you still had to apply and renew via paper forms, and they said (according to the reply from my registrar when I asked why it had been transferred) that I was squatting it... for a service they didn't release until the 2010s.

Sony have always been Disney-esque in their legal aggression. They don't care if they're right, they have teams of lawyers and they're quite happy to sic them on any tiny thing because they know you can't fight back even if you wanted to.


They do ship directly to AU: https://www.xteink.com/

I way prefer ePaper over reading on my phone so I have both the x3 and the x4 and love both.

The x3 is so small it sticks to my phone via the charging magnet on the back so it goes everywhere my phone does.

The x4 is a bit bigger so a bit more readable but still smaller than an iPhone, so it’s easy to keep in your pocket or bag.


I have the X4 and it fits on the back of my Pixel 9 Pro XL.

EDIT: I use a "MagSafe" case.


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