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All discussions around Jev and its moat and whether it is new or not all focus on the architecture part, but what Diogo always states is that he thinks their secret sauce is in the data and the post training with RLCD … that is also why I think these clones using RLHF trained LLMs completely miss the point.


I feel strong Schmidhuber vibes here.


you miss the multiplexer part. multiplexers are awesome if you have them on a persistent machine like a server you SSH into. To me herdr feels more like a modern alternative to tmux or zellij with the agent features being a nice add on.


Isnt zellij quite modern? What does herdr do better than zellij?


As a zellij sponsor I’ve been wondering the same.

I rebuild herdr from master every few days to gauge the direction it’s moving in.

What herdr gets right over zellij:

- Default keybinds don’t conflict with helix. Even the leader key mode in zellij keeps alt-bindings around. Herdr keeps things nicely tucked away.

- There’s beta support for the kitty image protocol. Three years on, we’re still waiting in zellij.

- Notifications get passed correctly through to the terminal.

As for herdr’s killer feature, agent status monitoring, there is apparently a zellij plugin.

Big win for zellij: the docs and code feel human. By contrast, herdr’s docs have all the tells of a vibe coded project. Not to say the maintainer hasn’t put care into it! But I’m getting burned out on LLM docs.


I started to use tmux-claude-session-manager (https://github.com/craftzdog/tmux-claude-session-manager) in tmux, to have a pop-up to see all active sessions. I don't have many in parallel, so usually I don't even need, but if I'm lost or forgot one, it's really helpful.


what's the zellij plugin?


yes. At least they want to use it for that, I am not sure they already do.

(look under "multimodality" in the blog post: https://thinkingmachines.ai/news/introducing-inkling/)


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