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HN always has these completely contrived counterarguments. What is actually going to realistically happen that will prevent use of an LLM provider? Did you think that the OP literally meant the 12 years or maybe it was just to show how expensive using a Mac Mini as an alternative is?

> how expensive using a Mac Mini as an alternative is?

I think it goes without saying. And it is eminently evident over last couple of decades that from compute to storage to meals 3rd part providers have saved billions upon billions of dollars to enterprises and individuals alike by providing these essential services.


Mass revolts of the peasantry burning down data centers and cutting fiber lines.

Yes, it feels like that. Whereas frontier labs are pushing the frontier of human knowledge, selflessly working towards pulling humanity from dark ages. Ignorant peasants trying to burn the modern civilization down. Don't they know data centers and fiber lines are lifeline of modern economy?

When has the EU mandated encryption backdoors?

They keep trying it via e.g. chat control

The US has also tried it multiple times. So has Canada. It's been shut down each time. This isn't a unique to the EU problem.

Didn't UK had "The Snooper's Charter" as well?

Encryption backdoors is not a case of extending reach for a government, but an effort to get the capabilities back.

They were able to do that before. They just want to be able to continue now.

Note: No, I don't support the idea of backdoors. On the contrary.


The fact that other countries have tried to do does not mean it's acceptable for another country to do

So why is the criticism about it disproportionately leveled at one jurisdiction?


Isn't that simply how politics works, though? People who are invested in security keep lobbying for their interests. Generally when political actors fail they dust themselves off and try again, on any issue. Also you haven't shown how the EU is diffrent from any other jurisdiction in this regard.

In the end, US doesn't need encryption backdoors because most chat and email protocols are not end-to-end encrypted and the TLS data streams are decrypted in the datacenter owned by US companies.

The protocols themselves are not important anymore. It's all variants of http to Google or Amazon. What's important is control of the end user device, and Google and Apple keep a remote root connection with "their" terminals at all time. Any data that is obtained remotely will be from the presentation layer, not the network layer. This is also harder to US adversaries to access, so an argument could be made that for the majority of normal people this is a net increase in security.

If you wanted to make the corresponsing strong argument for Chat Control and its ilk, the EU just wants (the juicy part of) what the US already has. The remote root level control of most end user devices is not under EU juristiction. So they naturally want companies operating in the EU to give them one piece of access to the presentation layer, too.

This argument is what one must be prepared for, the encryption itself is less relevant..


Exactly right.

Chat control is merely their newest attempt at this, carefully navigating around the reasons it was opposed last year.

They keep trying to legislate encryption backdoors by any means, and once they manage to get their foot into the door every other country will use that as a precedent to also mandate it.


Wow, the sculptor got 3.5 million USD for copyright infringement from his copycat statue.


The Statue of Greed, located appropriately at a Casino


More like, "Statue of Litigancy", am I right? /s


If you release an open source software with GPL license that is just a wrapper of an MIT licensed library, and someone manages to misuse your software, should you be entitled to damages?


Windows 7 was pretty neat.


They could also just have their maps and others show in the results as normal.


That would suck, though? Showing places on a map makes so much more sense than burying them in a list of webpages.


I don't think the name is that bad. iDeal sounds very dated to me as a native English speaker.


It sounds like a coupon website installing malware to me. But... names are just names. When adoption gets large enough, every name becomes unimportant I guess.

iShares, iDeal, WhatsApp: the Millenial trinity of European essentials :D


How would you even pronounce wero as a native English speaker?

We - ro? Wer-o?

At least iDeal was unambiguous.


> How would you even pronounce wero as a native English speaker?

Thankfully, only about 2% of the EU population speaks English natively.

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I heard the gimmick was euro (you-ro) -- wero (we-ro). Which leaves ayero and dayro.


I mean, who cares how you pronounce it? Each country will have its own variant, similar to how euro is pronounced differently in different places, and eventually one will become the English status quo


Okay, jello


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