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I thought Elon Musk was South African

It has to be a “historically disadvantaged group” which the legislation defines to be a variety of groups including women. It’s just more anti-white male racism from South Africa.

According to this, the law "mandates ICASA to regulate historically disadvantaged groups’ equity requirement at no less than 30%", rather than just saying "South Africans": https://www.parliament.gov.za/press-releases/media-statement...

(I would like to link to the actual law, but the URL ChatGPT gave me doesn't load and I don't know if that's because ChatGPT is wrong or the South African government's website is having problems).


He's actually a citizen of SA, the US and (I just learned) Canada :)

It's highly unlikely he has chosen to retain his South African citizenship.

He is literally a SA citizen. You can easily look this up.

Provide a source, please.

The only official response on this has been to refuse to provide information either way based on South Africa's privacy laws. [0]

[0] https://pmg.org.za/committee-question/28275/


Why would he bother? It's not something that expires.

Until a recent Constitutional Court decision, it was an automatic loss of South African citizenship if you naturalised in another country without specifically requesting retention. After that ruling, the process is no longer automatic, but a number of people chose to renounce it regardless so as to avoid any potential impact of extra-territorial application of, for instance, tax law. [0]

Members of Parliament have asked South Africa's government whether Musk is still a South African citizen, but that information is protected by South Africa's privacy laws. So we won't ever know for certain unless he reveals it. [1]

[0] https://www.cliffedekkerhofmeyr.com/en/news/publications/202...

[1] https://pmg.org.za/committee-question/28275/


Sometimes it's an immutable property. E.g. I'm a UK citizen whether I want to be or not.

You've had another reply which describes the process to renounce your British citizenship, I'm wondering if you just weren't aware of that, or is there something else backing up your assertion?

South African citizenship can be renounced. https://dirco.gov.za/berne/renunciation-of-south-african-cit...

As for why someone might do it, some do it to ensure they're not at any risk of extra-territorial application of South African laws, especially tax laws.



To the sibling comment: It's in case you wish to acquire citizenship in another country that does not recognise dual citizenship.

I.e. that [new] country will not allow you to become a citizen of it unless you renounce your original one.

What that might actually mean practically, or if you can un-renounce it later, I don't know. [Edit]: Turns out, according to that page, yes, you can do that with some kind of bureaucratic shuffle. Daft - but sometimes these things are.


Is there some reason to do this other than ideological protest?

For US citizens there is the global taxation rules. Is there something like that for UK citizens?


If taking another country's citizenship requires renouncing all others.

You say, building ontologies with a specific intent will actually lead to intelligence at a similar level of current AI?

This would be a severe blow to the bitter lesson, and generally vindicate the AI researchers of the 80s that put a bet on symbolic processing


Well, the ontologies are there inside LLMs, humans just don't know them. There is nothing that contradicts with bitter lesson to what I said.

> That's opposite because copyleft is ultimately about user freedom not developers freedom.

Yeah, the whole idea of GPL is to restrict developers from doing certain things, because it would be harmful to users


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> The moment you produce anything of value, it is taken from you

Nobody is forced to license their software using GPL though


Nobody. Just the workers who want to add to the project the yoke of which they have been forced to live under.

I don't feel like arguing with FSF/Iron Curtain types, anyways.

If somebody has a non-exploitative Liberty-based argument for the GPL, I will hear it.


No one is being forced to use or contribute back to the project though. In fact, you can even use GPL licensed software, and so long as everyone with the binaries doesn't ever request the source, you do not have to publish it at all.

Fresh argument, you should take it to usenet

They explain that they expected that MIT licensed code would encourage contributions from BSD OSes

I agree it was a poor choice of license and that GPL helps build a better community, I'm glad they mad ethe license choice


Just one thing

Does anyone have any evidence that having the most powerful model being the orchestrator, and other sub agents being progressively less powerful, is optimal? Is this just common sense or it has been measured somehow?

For me it could be that this scheme may make the code itself poorly written, verbose or faulty


I think whether it's bottom-up or top-down, the core principle is still that you use cheap models for grunt work and use frontier models for expertise and direction.

In my setup, the orchestrator also drives a lot of the design and planning, and the less capable models get inputs from the more capable models by responding back up the chain. The more capable models also review everything that is produced by the cheaper models.

I've also had systems that invert this and allow cheaper models to call out to more capable models when they need to, but in my observation I found them quite bad at knowing even when to call out and I find wrapping the cheap models a bit more reliable in that problems tend to get caught before they bubble up to the user.


It sure saves tokens and even the 100$ subscriptions provide massive amounts of dev power. Also fair to note - mixing models is perhaps a good idea anyway as this way the entropy in them mixes and this supposedly improves result quality.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-026-01268-y/ This is probably what you're looking for. TLDR; weaker orchestrator + strong workers scored higher than the reverse. Caveat with that, old paper: "High-capability models: GPT-5, Claude Sonnet 4.5, Gemini-2.5 Pro; low-capability: GPT-5 nano, Claude Sonnet 3.7, Gemini-2.0 Flash."

With that said, there is evidence that we recently crossed over a line for 'best practices' when it comes to systems of multiple agents. Comparing the shapes of 'n agents working collaboratively' vs '1 agent spawning n agents to handle distinct work', Opus 5.5[1] and Opus 5[4] performs better with the former, Sonnet 5.5[2] and Opus 4.8[3] performs better with the ladder.

[1] https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/fc1b44717c85dc068bc6ba50242199...

[2] https://assets.claude.com/870c8f525702625d2c62fc6dd04c857e32...

[3] https://assets.claude.com/0f0c97ad20d8005706296bd92aa1c27c6b...

[4] https://assets.claude.com/ceaf5c7ff2783855203fde8208ec311252...


the component library is gpui-component which I think is a too old of a project to have been built primarily by AI

gpui-kit is meant to solve your second point: installing it from crates.io rather some unrelated monorepo

it doesn't matter if gpui-kit is vibe coded because it's just upstream gpui, repackaged


Hmm, I see, thanks for the correction

Is dioxus native usable in android already?

To the limit that any Winit-based app is. Which is to say it builds and runs, and there is basic touch and text input support. But system integration is pretty limited.

rather than gtk4-rs maybe try relm4

You don't (well not unless you want to run a mass email campaign that is indistinguishable from spam)

They were right at each time for different reasons

In 2024 the tools were severely lacking. Today they work better (if subpar and verbose), but put an undue burden on reviewers (which are already in short supply)


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