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With Strata and specialized engines, Qwen Flash Next runs even on 16GB cards.

I use it at 60+ tok/second on a single 24GB card.


They might have spent next to 0 time actually 'hacking' - they may have just told Opencode to hack Opencode website and let it run for hours or days till it succeeded.

Hm? Jev's actual (network) latency is not that great and even small local models are doing far better latency-wise.

The Microsoft article GP linked even shows the MS model having 95ms latency.

Even on price Jev being matched (the same MS model is "Input tokens cost $0.042 USD per million tokens. Output tokens are free.", same as Jev).

Cloudflare's Clef-flash model is actually slightly cheaper: "$0.038 in / $0 out per 1M" too.

Jev is being matched or exceeded in performance and price within a month of them going public.


Coder is not as good and seems to have noticable loss.

Use the normal one - I've used that for long coding sessions and it worked well on multi-hour runs.


@the_mitsuhiko - How is the session replay of Pi embedded in the article?

It doesn't look to be asciinema?


> @the_mitsuhiko - How is the session replay of Pi embedded in the article?

Some bespoke slop :)


Is the Magic 8 ball immune to hallucination as Jev is?


Yes. It's exactly as immune to hallucination - it can only produce answers from a small fixed set.


It would be good to list 1) zero-shot accuracy and 2) latency on the models page . The LLM-based models' latency is probably much higher than the BERT approaches I would assume.

Also curious, it seems from looking at the accuracy scores you gave that it seems to be NLI > Gliclass > Laya (for Bert types)? Why do you seem to feature/recommend Laya more - is Laya better in some way?


5090 has 32GB VRAM.

It'd be silly to buy the 18k model to run a tiny model like Qwen 27B. You use models like GLM Flash and Qwen Next which won't fit on a single 5090.


Is it that silly? You could run multiple 27B models in parallel.


You actually don't need more RAM to batch multiple inference tasks of the same model.

(Each task needs its own context, but the (e.g.) 27B of constant parameters isn't duplicated).


You definitely need more RAM if you are not satisfied with small context windows, especially if the weights take a large % of the total memory to boot.


can run multiple subagents of Qwen 27B though, right? Unless I am fundamentally misunderstanding how VRAM constraints work


You might be. Running another agent doesn't load a set of new weights. It creates a new KV cache for the agent and adds the prompts to the queue. Its just another inference turn.


thanks, I naively assumed when, for example, Claude Code starts subagents it loads a new instance with empty context


People don't buy Sparks and M5 Ultras to run a 27B model - you buy it to run an MoE model like Qwen Next which this M5 excelled at.


Exactly; when I first got my RTX 5070 Ti (16gb, to game with!!!, upgrading from VEGA56), I loaded then-latest Qwen3.6 (~30B, cannot remember exactly). My only prior LLM experience was with models <8gb, primarily llama3.1.

My technical-expert twin played around with these LLMs, for about an hour, and then correctly reasoned "it's able to be WRONG, faster."

This seems apt. My next LLM machine will be closer to 96gb+ vRAM.


Once I get some kind of settlement after getting beaten up by a cop my first purchase will be some RTX Pro 6000s.


Dude, I'm saying this with the best of intent. Get help.


Reddit might be leaking today.


Don't buzzkill his dreams of financing a GPU.

...actually: get help.


That's a dense model. Of course it will do worse.

Now try running that Qwen 3.8 Next model on the 5090 and tell me what TPS you get (hint: it's near 0 since it doesnt fit the 32GB VRAM on 5090 vs the 256 in OPs M5).


Surprisingly, the Reddit crowd are reporting 50–60 tokens/s (for the 32 GiB 5090 + 128 GiB RAM)—on par with the M5 Ultra benchmarks, despite both the PCIe bottleneck and much smaller DDR5 bandwidth,

https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1wl06np/qwen38f...

(Note it's a sparse MoE with only 6B active).


I have a 3 year old gaming system. RTX 4080 w/128GB of DDR5. It runs Qwen 38 Flash around 44-40 t/s with 128K context. It is on a specialized build that caches MoE experts and uses an optimized 3bit quant that basically is within a few points of the full 8 bit quant. In general, in casual benchmarking with Alibaba's endpoint I could not tell much of a difference. Overall this model is very good on long horizon agentic work. The main pain point for it is that its input processing speed is slow. Regardless, it gets meaningful work done.

I paid $500 for the RAM in Nov 2023 :)


> "I paid $500 for the RAM in Nov 2023 :)"

No wonder Warren Buffet gave up and resigned.


Right? To get comparable brand and quality DDR5, which isn’t particularly great at AI anything it is ~$2000. All you had to do was start hoarding 3090 GPU and RAM in 2023. It is unhinged.


Good to know thanks.

That's with CPU offload to a DDR5 6000 RAM though which is around $3-4k at least.


Unlike a 256GB M5 Ultra that is $10k+.


But the 5090 they use there is now going low stock and selling for over $7500 in some places.


Apple product won't be the cheapest but it is a full package (CPU, RAM, VRAM/GPU, fast-storage, etc).

If you look at the pricing of a full (x86) AI workstation you'd need around the nvidia GPU, you'd approach $10k easily (and be using a ton more wattage too).


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