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I've been following (and helping test) gefs on 9front for a while now. 9front's nightly builder has been running off of it for quite a while. Ori's done a fantastic job.


Oh my gosh, while I may have heard of 9front in passing I had a little look today and it's super cool! also shithub what an amazing alternative forge, it feels like one of those days when I'm part of the 10,000!


For reference, the shithub that plan9 uses is not shithub.sh (to any of my knowledge)


no they are different, our shithub is shithub.us to be specific.


Ahh thanks for getting my shit straight!


And now GNU/Linux is freely taking money from corporate overlords and ponying up money to frontier model companies. I don't know what possess people to think Linux is still some cool counter culture thing, it's not. It's just still wearing the mask of one because people have selective hearing.


I can't speak on everyones behalf and I am not just referencing Linux here, I am also referencing the great family of BSDs, but having the full source available as part of the install is what I'm all about. If that is _counter cultural_ then so be it, but it isn't the main intent. But having the source to the kernel, the OS, the apps I use, complete with stellar man pages and other manuals... I'm set.


From the article: >When an individual chooses to use a Linux-based operating system instead of Windows or OSX, they are, deliberately or not, making a statement. They are declaring themselves to be autonomous and independent.

But this is being reversed now and this has gradually been the case over the years. By just using linux are you capable of debugging the kernel? When the code itself grows unbounded in size and complexity, the moat grows more and more. Tomorrow if you had a nasty GPU driver bug or scheduler bug in any of these systems are you personally empowered to make that change? I would argue no. I've had this, I've tried trawling through the kernel to help some nerds debug why ppc64 KVM was not working when running in BE mode and it was completely intractable. I could just be an idiot though, the evaluation of that is left to the reader.

My point with referencing with LLMs is that this has turned this dial up to 11, now you have developers shipping a crap ton of code and complexity is growing more. The more the developers rely on this stuff the more there is this kind of implication that in order for you to keep up you will use it too. Is that carrying the spirit of the luddite?

Also FreeBSD is also taking LLM stuff, OpenBSD doesn't have a policy prohibiting this, NetBSD does.


Congrats to the team, I adore Haiku from afar and hope they continue to do good work. Had to do a bit of debugging with some code I help maintain for the new release, but it was a fun excuse to mess around with it a bit again.


Just in time for the kernel and its consequences to become completely hostile to anyone not paying for a frontier model. If I was 16 again and evaluating linux only to see everyone using LLMs to reason about the mess they've put themselves in I don't know if I would have even bothered. The promise of "you can just read and learn about it yourself" has been dead for at least 10 years, but LLMs put the nail in the coffin.

Linux has gone from attracting hippies to openly endorsing corporate closed-source products, something something live long enough to become the villain.


When did junk like this start being called an operating system?


The same question is bothering me


When did you get the idea that we're trying to please anyone? The type of people to scream about "wokerism" are not the folks we want in our community, conversely the people who scream that we're not sufficiently sanitized for them to put on their corporate website are also not who we want. The system is working as designed, we take no pain in 9front not being for you.


Why 9front humor (and indifference) attracts so much confusion and hate on HN I'll never understand


The deadly combination of people on the autistic spectrum tending to miss humour, especially subtle humour, even more so when it references things outside their narrow cultural window...

... Combined with American dislike, and lack of comprehension, of sarcasm and irony.


>When did you get the idea that we're trying to please anyone?

Ah, I see. Those footer flags and icons are there for ironic reasons, to poke fun at these ideas while also shining a critical spotlight on them? I see, that's the dark humor I like.

>sufficiently sanitized for them to put on their corporate website are also not who we want.

I'm pretty sure it's possible in Silicon Valley, but only for one month of the year. It's just performative AF.

But at least you split the Ukrainian in half and exchange it with the US one, again....that's the really dark humor i like.


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