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Because people acclaim European competition on the LLM scene, I guess. We don't have much to show.

Even as someone happy of seeing Mistral still trying to compete, I would wait at least for the final release and weights before talking again about it, to have a definitive opinion on it.

It's well known that every Mistral employee is a fonctionnaire. No.

What's more impressive is the datacenter used for training. It shows you can get "sub-SOTA" for one tenth of the resources of SOTA.

I have never understood why people using MicroG can use apps like SNCF-Connect, while I cannot.

SNCF-connect is the largest online marchant in France. Since june, I cannot click the "pay" button anymore. It coincides with the new feature of Pay with Google.

So : is it because MicroG allows calls to Google services on e/OS devices, while my LineageOS refuses ? Or because MicroG implemented a try catch around this call, without any call to Google's servers ?


I think that's because /e/os also distributes App Lounge [1], which can connect to Google Store and handle payments (most of the time).

[1] https://doc.e.foundation/os/apps/app-lounge/


If it connects to Play Store, then isn't that the same as Aurora? Can people's accounts be banned? That would really suck to pay for something and lose it because Google banned you haha!

It really sucks but there is no other widely supported standard for in-app purchases. Some services refuse to use credit/debit cards payments for some reason.

I've been using Aurora for almost 6 years with no issues

it use aurora source code

Some Play Services calls are stubbed out as no-ops and others are reimplemented either with fully free replacements (e.g. navigation) or else by calling proprietary Google remote endpoints (e.g. firebase)

I have no Google anything installed on GrapheneOS and SNCF Connect works fine.

Are you sure? Login doesn't work on mine, and language is stuck to English idk why

Try the per-app exploit protection compatibility mode. That's generally the first thing to try, especially for apps with dubious anti-tampering code. If it works then it can be narrowed down to the specific exploit protection and should usually be reported to the app developers. The default enabled exploit protections for user installed apps have no false positives and neither does memory tagging (MTE).

Just tested Mistral 4 too in Vibe and it's slow. It works well, but is way too slow. Switched back to Mistral's GLM5.3, which is awesome.

Edit : working with GLM5.3 now, it's also slow. Maybe Mistral's under heavy load.

Disclaimer : Not Cofounder of The Forecasting Company here


I've been using Mistral Large 4 and some of my other friends have as well.

Something is going on with the performance (as in speed of the service, not quality). Some days it's quite fast, some days it's so slow I interrupt it because I thought it was hanging.

I think they're shifting hosting capacity around, or otherwise messing with the model. Note that it's still a "preview" version, meaning they're still training it further for the final release and they are likely still figuring out the optimal hosting configuration as well.

It wouldn't surprise me to see further changes in both quality of the model and speed before the final release.


We are improving all layers of the stack (model, inference, harness) so do expect improvements in quality in perf over the following weeks.


Cool!

I'm looking forward to the weights release as well, has anything about the architecture and possibly quantization resilience been shared publicly so far?


How are you accessing Mistral 4 from Vibe? The only ones available on my end are Medium 3.5 and GLM-5.3 despite having a Pro subscription.

We are rolling it out via A/B experiments and improving the experience as we roll-out. 100% of the users should see it in the following 7 days.


Nice, looking forward to it.

I updated my vibe config to point to Mistral 4 and it charges my subscription capacity, not my API allowance. So it is included in subscriptions, you just need to do a little bit of legwork.

Location based maybe ? I'm in France.

I've been using Mistral 4 as well, but from OMP with a Vibe subscription. Not location-based, I'm in the US.

I agree with you though. It's slow as hell, and so is their GLM offering.


The GLM offering in the last months was blazingly fast for me.

It was for me too, and it's only become slow very recently. I can't say with certainty, but I think it was around the time Mistral 4 launched that it seemed to slow down.

Maybe their Mistral 4 usage spiked with the news.

Odd, I am in France too. Progressive rollout maybe? I find it weird to announce a model with fanfare but not make it immediately available to customers, let alone paid ones.

Thanks for feedback. With future model releases we will aim to have it available to all paid users on day one.

Glad to hear :)

Meanwhile, Renault makes small and useful cars being sold more in France, for a fraction of Tesla's valuation.

By all means, enjoy your Renault.

I do hope there will be forks. Some are mentioned in the comments.

Bun and Deno are now big-tech dependent. For the better, and the worse.


It also means you shouldn't bet on the tool to still be available next month.

i can bet on it if i can host it in my computer

And then you're also the maintainer of the software in charge of keeping it up-to-date with its dependencies etc.

> keeping it up-to-date with its dependencies etc.

not if the software is functional today, and doesn't require interacting with third party systems (like this tinylittleoffice suite).

By the time the underlying infrastructure (like browser compatibility, or self-hosting OS becoming obsolete) fails, you're likely no longer using it anyway.

The "documents" seem exportable in text format, and in any case, potentially salvageable with another vibe-coded tool if such need arise.

Therefore, the original author is no required to maintain it.


That's a rosy eyed view. users running outdated code not getting security fixes are sweet honeypots for modern automated llm-backed mass exploitation machine long before something obviously fails for you.

you'll be spending tokens on getting it maintained, and if you don't spend enough you get pwned by guys who do. who exactly is winning in this scenario?

"democratizing software"...


You're just criticizing FOSS software in general now.

> criticizing FOSS software in general now

you mean real oss maintained by professionals and security experts, as opposed to the cannibalized gpl-washed version llm spit out?


OSS maintainedness should not at all be taken for granted. If you need something maintained by pros and security experts, that more accurately describes commercial software. FOSS as it stands, with the exception of some (but nowhere near all) major lynchpin projects, is done by volunteers in their spare time.

A lot of OSS gets supported by foundations, selling consulting or additional services, donations, maintainer's dayjobs, and people's pride in their work and desire to help

I am placing your time of digital fruition in the 00’s or later? Not bashing, but we bought floppies in the 80s with software with no updates. Cool kids got their software from Oh No More Warez + keygen in the early 90s. That went online in the late 90s.

Always online, internet of shit and perma update crap came at that same time, first for the OS and later for everything. Oh, plus two decades of using shady Russian software for virus scanning. Shit went up, update everything became everywhere and everyday. Plus gigabyte frameworks for functionality that was kilobytes before.

My point in cursing too much? (Sorry, mentally screaming FUD here.) That tiny code projects, even without an active maintainer, in the LLM-era are probably a lot more secure when run by the people they target (we run containers, and sandboxes, the cool kids run immutable distros). This is democratizing software, and it has the great feel of old.

Please everyone, vibe code tiny project with tiny codebases everyday. Dump them on GitHub in a free tier. Make so many that the people have a free choice again! And go watch Cliff Stoll again for that hacker energy!


> we run containers, and sandboxes, the cool kids run immutable distros

So just for select .1% of pros who know how to do that and the rest can get f#cked. "democratizing" software...


if you can't be bothered to learn skills (or even ask an AI to teach it to you for free), then you deserve to not be part of that democratization.

Wild how LLMs both weaken software security and supercharge the attackers at the same time

Spending tokens to search for vulnerabilities in commonly used software makes sense because the payoff is large - hack once, exploit many.

However for unique, bespoke software (vibe-coded or not), the payoff is as small as a single endpoint. You’ve found an exploit in MikesOwnOfficeSuite and now have access to Mike’s PC. You’ve got to spend the same tokens again to find an exploit in SuesAwesomeOfficeApps. It still might be worth it in a spear-phishing scenario.

Security through obscurity is back!


if everyone vibe coded their own offices it would be a heaven for big tech llm operators lining up their pockets of course, but the idea was that Mike is using something vibe-coded by somebody else. just target TinyLittleOffice and get everyone using it

yep. casual vibe coders can't compete with whoever spends 10x tokens just on vuln discovery...

This is the part managerial and marketing types don't understand. Their expectation is usually that "since its a computer system (sic) the tech team will support it from now on".

Use AI to maintain it.

AI doesn’t magically maintain things, you still have some human overhead.

Less and less human overhead with each model release.

You say that, and then here I am basically vibe coding SaaS for money right now lol

patching dependencies correctly was one of the first agentic coding tasks llm solved 100%. you will need to dedicate a session once a year to to such patches. Or community of vibe coders will do it for you .

This is trivial now. It can even be automated. Literally just type “automatically monitor and maintain x” into Claude or Codex.

No I'm not, Claude is

lol, paying a big tech company for tokens is not democratizing software

It is just like a power-tool. There are many vendors, interchangeable mostly. I'm democratized in drilling and screw driving.

but it is democratizing product creation.

Vibe code it without dependencies?

No need for simple offline website stuff like shown here.

It’s not simple at all. Check the source: https://github.com/aboard-io/tinylittleoffice

Yeah, but then toolchain security is yours to handle.

That has always been the case with anything self-hosted. Otherwise you're putting a lot of faith in an upstream maintainer to actually put in the effort which they may or may not be doing.

always has been

when the software is supposedly maintained, too


Bottom of the homepage has a link to the GitHub project: https://github.com/aboard-io/tinylittleoffice

The bottom of the README has instructions to run locally and self-host.

Looks good to me.


All the power of LLMs in the hands but a page impossible to read on my phone...

Yup, Firefox on Android as well. The page scrolls in frames per MINUTE: scroll, wait 2 seconds, page instantly jumps to future scroll location.

Why? Loads fine on iOS 27 Safari.

Firefox on Android: scrolling is lagging, and when scrolling to far the text takes time to appear. Even text that was already there before.

The main animation is hungry.

yeah absolutely unusable, kinda insane to have access to fronteer models and produce a website that unusable

Same in Germany : AFD's activity went abruptly down apparently.

Can you link a reliable source for this? The only thing I could find online was someone claiming this with a chart that does not refer to Afd at all.

As far as I can tell there is no reliable data that would indicate any of that.

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