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Because who decides when its not in the people best interest? Oh right, not the people since they clearly voted for them for a reason.

Noone decides that, because that's not the metric. The metric is whether the party is antidemocratic. As we know from history, sometimes people do vote for antidemocratic parties. But back in 1946 it was decided that no antidemocratic parties shall be allowed anymore, no matter how much support they gain.

> who decides when its not in the people best interest? Oh right, not the people

Damn right it isn't, because for most of them it is against their own interests. They vote out of emotion.


I want to start by saying I think the AfD is detestable so that you don't get the wrong idea from my question:

In other parts of this thread we have people saying that the AfD must be banned because they are a threat to democracy and that the German constitution has provisions which prevent amending it to weaken the guarantee of democracy...

But how do you then reconcile the idea that people must be prevented from voting for the party they wish? Is that not undermining democracy when you only let them vote when they vote "correctly"?


I don't understand how this can be asked in good faith. How does Germany believe that sometimes democratically elected governments can be dangerous? Germany?

You don't understand how they may have a historical election or two that led to some kind of event proving that sometimes the people need to be protected from themselves short-term in order to preserve their constitution and democracy long-term?


Most people do NOT vote for them though, we're talking about 30% at most, and the other 70% are definitely not supporting anything close to the afd

>Because who decides when its not in the people best interest? Oh right, not the people since they clearly voted for them for a reason.

In Germany we have laws to ban parties that work against our constitution, exactly because of what happened in Weimar. The AfD is classified as confirmed right-wing extremist in five states. Starting a ban process is more than justified. The process is not arbitrary. Only the Bundestag, Bundesrat or government can apply, and the Constitutional Court decides after checking if the conditions are met. Also, just because a majority votes for something doesn’t make it right.


If people dont want democracy they should be able to choose so. Its clear that democracy has proven its failure for long term planning and useless bureocracy.

That is not how the German constitution is set up. You can do what you wish in your country, but here the "freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung" is not up for debate. There are also specific clauses in the constitution that cannot be amended or changed, one of them ensures Germany is a democracy.

> If people dont want democracy they should be able to choose so.

Debatable. One of the core ideas of democracy is to protect minorities. Democracy has been built around the concept that a majority cannot restrict basic rights of minorities. Arguably no one should be allowed to create a system which allows the violation of basic human rights of minorities.


The core principle of democracy is doing what is popular, not what is right.

The idea that democracy is synonymous with the current neoliberal order is nonsense.


At what point does a minority become a majority? Is that defined?

I invite you to look up those two words in literally any handy dictionary. Their definitions are quite uncomplicated.

We have a "minority" which votes en masse and can sway the results of an election.

Is that still a minority? I invite you to introspect more. It's not complicated either.


You are using the general term "minority" without context. That is intentionally deceitful.

A voting minority cannot by itself gain power in a democratic election.

A population minority may vote with, against, or mixed versus the eventual majority. It is not the same as active participation in voting.


Counting.

10% is all you need as a vote bank to flip an election.

if a person doesn't like democracy then they should simply not vote

I told the leopard I did not consent to my face being eaten, but it ate my face anyway.

There arent many vibeslop that actually have a userbase tho, who wants a program that changes radically and is not stable?

I have this stack for 1 year and had 0 issues, 0 maintenance. It just werks.

Im having problem on some new releases where it downloads clear malware with. Exe files, its detecting it and not moving them to my jellyfine storage but it always requires manual intervention. I havent been able to find a way to stop sonarr from grabbing releases before their official releas and with n amount of seedwrs/leechers


The internet was just a better place, i also did similar stuff, and i remember i had forums i where i discussed niche hobbies and topics.

Lets not pretend modern internet addiction is the same, you are facing a fine tuned algoritm designed to keep you isolated and glued to your screen. Even boomers are fallibg for it, my mom is watching ai slop shorts on facebook now...


Mine seems fine. She actively refused Facebook when it came out and still does, among other things. I've even tried to get her to check out Youtube because I was amazed about that out of everyone else addicted. Nope. She's still a mean woman, maybe that has a lot to do with it. I am happy for her.


Is it just me that think injecting affiliate is fair game? I hate with a passion all the sponsor segments everyone has now, grifting for something they pretend to use. I find it better if that affiliate money goes to a product i actually use and makes my life better. Brave origin is that, it solved my issue i had with regular brave. And i tried firefoz based browser but they are not up to par, they work for basic browsing, but struggle with video playback of jellyfin, some dont even have option to use mt own serxng service as search engine


> but struggle with video playback of jellyfin, some dont even have option to use mt own serxng service as search engine

I happen to use both Jellyfind and Searxng, both self-hosted, and Firefox does not struggle with either. The issue is probably elsewhere.


New model are marginally better and cost billions to train. Ai companies: OMG we need to HALT the ai model production or we are all dead


I have local model without safeguards and they are not going to hack shit unless you tell them to. As per usual its the same grift all over. If the llm is instruction is to do whatever it needs including hacking to achieve its goal it will do so. Ofc they will never disclose that.


I refuse to believe russia cannot get infinite drone supply from china


They can, at a markup. An imported Shahed-style drone might cost you ~$20,000-30,000 USD if you import it, but building it domestically could bring the costs below $5,000. If your goal is to maximize munition mass, then you use China to supply things like INS systems, engines, Nvidia Tegra boards or camera technology that's harder to build in-house. That's what Russia does with the Geran program.


Ai will 100% be use maliciously, people will already think It's all knowing, meanwhile any expert in any field cringes at this notion. Ai will be used as justification for something, oh ai said this? It must be true, lets ignore how tge model was trained for this outcome and the secret promp that is not disclosed.


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