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Nvidia releases some of the most open open weights models, Nemotron 3, which have the full training code open, and most but not all of the training datasets.

Nvidia is a big company. They are good about some things and bad about others.

I think they really do like open weights because they make some of the best hardware for training, and the more open weights models there are, the more people are training and fine-tuning them, mostly on Nvidia hardware.

I feel like Nvidia is one of the better choices for buying Huggingface. Not perfect, but definitely far from the worst.


The worry is not that Nvidia isn’t open about their models.

The worry is that Nvidia is trying to control the way you run those models. Trying to bake CUDA assumptions into model design, and pushing the software ecosystem to be as Nvidia first as they can.


What would be the worst three?


My pick:

1. Oracle

2. A16Z

3. GameStop


1. Oracle

2. Microsoft

3. Google

Are probably the worst of the realistic options for acquiring HuggingFace


SpaceX


Just to explain because not everyone is necessarily a native English speaker or gets the reference.

This is a reference to a dog whistle. Above 25kHz are sounds that dogs can hear but humans generally can't.

The term dog whistle is used to refer to phrases that racists use to indicate their racism, while sounding plausibly deniable. The idea is that it's a phrase that will make other racists realize that you are one of them, while not sounding openly racist to others.

DHH himself has gone beyond dog whistles. He's directly compared what he considers undesirable ehtnic populations to wolves who need to be shot. He's just openly calling for ethnic cleansing by now.

But support for Omarchy itself can be seen as a dog whistle. It's widely known that DHH is a fascist, but you have some plausible deniability by donating to Omarchy because you're just politically neutral and think it's cool tech, or something like that.


> DHH himself has gone beyond dog whistles. He's directly compared what he considers undesirable ehtnic populations to wolves who need to be shot. He's just openly calling for ethnic cleansing by now.

Let me prefix this with that DHH's opinions suck, not sure what he's going through but clearly something, and that blog post you're referencing is terrible in lots of ways. But he's not openly calling for ethnic cleansing, you're doing speaking against him a disservice by not providing an accurate view of what shit thing he said. It's still terrible, the verbatim quotes (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49448148), but deporting isn't the same as "ethnic cleansing". Even people we disagree with vehemently should be disagreed with honestly.

Then that blog post is just one of many where he've essentially gone of the rails in terms of hardline authoritarianism and fascist ideas, which makes it kind of weird he's getting the financial support he's getting. But then some just don't care about what viewpoints others have, I suppose that's a valid stance too even if I disagree with it.


> but deporting isn't the same as "ethnic cleansing".

I’m sorry, but forcibly deporting people because of their ethnic background is the very definition of ethnic cleansing.

In general, if people use violence on the population as a way to either kill or forcibly expel them, there would be a strong case to call it a genocide.


He literally calls openly for the ethnic cleansing of undesirable populations from Europe. Just read his blog. There's no subtlety or nuance.


You're using the word "literally" very liberally here.

Sending migrants back to their home countries is not ethnically cleansing.


Forced displacement of an ethnic group is one of the definitions of ethnic cleansing. It's also considered a crime against humanity.


Don’t be hyperbolic. Enforcing immigration policy isn’t a crime against humanity.


Forced relocation is defined as a crime against humanity.


“when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population” which I don’t think this really clears, as objectionable as his comments may be


DHH hasn’t committed a crime against humanity. He just said he would not consider one entirely bad if it made him feel safer when walking around his house.


Glad that's not what DHH is calling for. Enforcing immigration law and returning criminal migrants to their homes is not "forced migration."


I don’t recall him being specific about which Roma are wolves and which aren’t. Were he talking only about “criminal” migrants, he’d make a point about that distinction.


>I don’t recall him being specific about which Roma are wolves and which aren’t.

You don't recall because that's not what he said, nor is that the analogy he used.


From a groups homeland, yes.

Deporting immigrants whom presence is not a right is not ethnic cleansing.


Yes, that is literally what it is.


> Sending migrants back to their home countries is not ethnically cleansing

About that.... Yeah...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan


I don't think he's been literal about ethnic cleansing, even though I strongly disagree with his political views on the matter.

Anyway, he also supports open weights models, which IMO is a good thing.

So maybe separate the artist from the art? He's not running for elections, that's for sure, so as a citizen he can have the political views he likes, doesn't mean the software is bad because of them.


He calls for removal of people based on their ethnicity. What would you call that?


Ethnicity or citizenship?


The word he uses is a pejorative for the Romani, an ethnicity.


As I've said before, I strongly disagree, but what I read is that he calls for the removal of those behaving in a way that (in his opinion) make the city of Copenhagen less safe, or at least that change the perceived security of the people living there.

Gypsies create issues almost everywhere in Europe, but it's not based on ethnicity, most of the ethnic Roma are fully integrated, some of them are not, in Italy many Sinte families are linked to mob and criminality in general.

Do they deserve special treatment because of their ethnicity?

And what if they are not regular citizens?

It's an open problem, DHH's solutions it's absolutely not my solution, but there's a still a difference between what he said and calling for ethnic cleansing.


He supports systematic violence against marginalized ethnicities, but he also supports open weight models.

or as dril put it

drink driving may kill a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not,


> drink driving may kill a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not,

that's a non sequitur

"that guy is not against driving under the influence, but he also always wears seatbelts and always respects speed limits" FTFY


I think there's such a strong difference between remigration and ethnic cleansing. And if you are misinformed, maybe take a minute to actually read his blog posts. But if you are and willingly misrepresenting his viewpoints, then maybe take a step back and think about what that says about you.

Not an endorsement of his viewpoints, but if we're going to debate people, we should do it on the actual words they say rather than the things we make up in our head about them.


> I think there's such a strong difference between remigration and ethnic cleansing.

First sentence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration :

    Remigration is a far-right concept referring to the ethnic cleansing via
    mass deportation of non-white minority populations, especially immigrants
    and sometimes including native-born citizens, to their place of racial ancestry.


>maybe take a minute to actually read his blog posts.

a great place to start is the one where he compares the Roma (of course, he chooses the more offensive term) to wolves that should be shot.

"When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them."


In the etymological sense there's a difference. There is no practical difference to the people calling for it though.

'Roma are like wolves, we should shoot wolves' isn't exactly subtle.


>I think there's such a strong difference between remigration and ethnic cleansing

you can think what you want to think but this is definitionally incorrect


You have swallowed some dangerous, racist propaganda if you believe this. “Remigration” is a code word for forcible ethnic cleansing.


> calls openly for the ethnic cleansing

That is not what he is doing and you know it. It's funny how people like to pretend that fake news somehow only originate from the right when in fact it's a method used by all the political sides.

He calls for the removal of people who are bothering the general population at large because they occupy illegally the public spaces, defecate in the parks, set up illegal camps in the parks when they actually have homeless shelters in the city which are usable and beg insistently.

If it was a group of Slovenians or Japanese doing the same thing, would we have the same conversation? I think not. I think we would say look how these people come to our towns and bother everyone else and in the end the cops would get involved.

But because these people are Roma who are not even from Denmark, then they should just get a pass and everyone should just have to go to another park if they want to take their kids to a playground because the one they have near their home has been turned in an open-air toilet.

Being from a minority does not give you the right to make everybody's life worse.


"it's not ethnic cleansing because this time the Jews really ARE evil, okay"


> it's not ethnic cleansing because this time the Jews really ARE evil, okay

You are right, let's just all push the rhetoric to the max and completely forget how to have nuanced discussions about complex topics.

It clearly is a lot easier to scream "nazis" from one side and "woke" from the other. I am sure we will get somewhere fast.


ethnic cleansing?


I specifically use Android because of this, among other requirements, that Apple imposes on software development on their platform.

I do not own general purpose computers that I am not allowed to develop software for without permission. I have always avoided consoles for that reason as well (Steam Machine and other similar platforms would be fine, but I've been avoiding consoles for long enough that it's not something I really look for any more).

I was a major Apple fanboy up until the iPhone. Left the ecosystem after the iPhone and macOS started moving in that direction as well.

I'm going to miss having a smartphone that I can use with my banking and EV apps, but probably for the best to get out of Google's ecosystem. Hoping that GrapheneOS will still allow me to use some of the apps that I like.


I switched to an iPhone last year, mostly because I was getting sick of Samsung’s shit, and google doesn’t sell their pixel phones locally (and I don’t like Oppo).

But the other reason is that most of Android’s openness is quickly disappearing, so my main argument against iPhone is gone. And on the topic of privacy, I actually trust Apple way more than I trust the company that makes most of their revenue via advertising.


Exactly this. Once the writing was on the wall that deGoogled / FOSS Android was on borrowed time (at best), a ton of the argument against iOS dissolved overnight. We can argue that Apple's anti-repair policies and anti-user-customization policies are their own evils, sure, but at least my phone works for its core tasks, and works phenomenally well at that. My deGoogled Android phones were mostly hobbled together piles of "it sometimes works, as long as I don't look at it too funny". This tradeoff was fine for fully owning my data and being able to install absolutely anything I wanted on my phone. With arbitrary APK installation disappearing, and unlocked bootloaders to install a less hostile fork of Android becoming such a rarity these days, I may as well at least not fear looking at my phone the wrong way when the moon is in alignment with the wrong star.

Source: about 12 years of Android usage (11 of those on unlocked bootloaders and custom ROMs, ~6? of those deGoogled) -> iPhone 16e.


Yeah, I was a loyal Android user for 15 years.

For the first half, custom ROMs were a massive boost to the experience, but I never really bothered after 2018; You had to install so much of google's stuff to get anywhere near proper experience that it just wasn't worth it, and even then many apps were starting to throw a fit when they detected a rooted device.

And at the same time, the stock android experience from most vendors was now good enough. I didn't even check custom ROM compatibly for my last Android two purchases (both Samsung). But it was nice to have the option of rooting and maybe finding/making a custom ROM Samsung removed that in their last update to One UI :(


For me it's the data-hoovering. I don't want Samsung (or Google, or Xiaomi, or whoever) background services phoning home my location every few seconds, or being able to uniquely track my device across apps, etc.

Once my ability to run a "background spyware-less" Android device went away, so did my willingness to put up with the negative sides of the usability tradeoff.

Apple probably sends some telemetry home, but at least their business model doesn't depend on knowing the exact Pantone color of the food I ate for dinner to market a matching wall paint to me.

Edit to add: oh, yeah, you mentioning 3P apps complaining if they detected root or MicroG reminds me of many a horrible night of debugging. Ugh. What a mess.


> You had to install so much of google's stuff to get anywhere near proper experience that it just wasn't worth it

What was it? Personally, the only thing I miss from stock Android is the Google Wallet/Pay/Wallet. (I do use microG to get push notifications and embedded maps working.)


>makes most of their revenue via advertising.

Apple already have a huge chunk of the ad pie and are growing all the time. Dont think Apple are keeping you safe from ads and all the profiling of your behaviour that involves.

https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-gets-serious-about-its...

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67417987

https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-tests-ai-app-store-ads...


Apple are still far less reliant on advertising than google; They take far stricter stances against apps tracking users than google; And they actually let me an Adblock extension (or any other extension) in Safari.

Apple is not some magic solution to the question of on-device privacy. But compared to Android, the improvement is night and day.


Android has been a brutal disappointment on this front since the day it launched. Sure, you could hack various devices and spend too much time on xda-developers and get custom ROMs, but if you compare that to the openness of even a stock Windows PC it's an absolute joke. Android was supposed to be the open Linux phone, when I bought my HTC G1 full of hope; turned into an inferior iPhone wannabe with worse performance and a low quality walled garden that keeps most people in without keeping the trash out.

Time to start over.


Can you provide some references to the research you're referring to? Sounds interesting but you haven't really provided enough information to find it.


That is the point – you can't just provide the references in a short post here.

You need much more time and guidance.


Ironically, LLMs are pretty good at finding stuff like that from vague descriptions. With that, I think the parent commenter meant Art Graesser's AutoTutor work based on the terminology used (hint/pump).

TLDR: Actual human tutoring sessions were recorded and analyzed and Socratic questioning was barely used at all. Instead the following pattern was observed:

Pump — "Uh huh?" "What else?" Costs nothing, so try it first.

Hint — points at the region of the answer. "What about the pumpkin's motion sideways?"

Prompt — fishes for one specific word, with the sentence frame supplied. "The pumpkin keeps moving forward at the same ___?"

Assertion — just says it. "It keeps the runner's horizontal velocity."


Yes, you're on the money. And this is a perfect example of how people should use llms. Use them to deepen your own research and understanding rather than use them to glaze and implement the first naive idea that comes into your head (or the first idea they suggest as a response to a vague prompt, which typically is substantially worse than if you get them into the right vector space using jargon)


You can always ask them to draw something else, as a way to avoid any possible pelican related data contamination; given how popular the pelican test is, I'm sure there's some pelican SVG drawing in the training sets of at least some of these models by now. For instance, you could ask for an SVG drawing of a cyborg bear riding a rocket powered unicycle.

It's a silly fun little benchmark, and because Simon's been doing it for so long, you have a lot of examples over the years to compare. But you can always come up with and run your own test with other drawings.


I believe Simon also tests other things that are not as public.


The article describes it.

Both Codex and Claude Code have it, but they work slightly differently.

Claude Code uses Haiku to read through the transcript and decide if the goal has been completed. If not, Haiku injects a prompt back to the main model to indicate what still needs to be done.

In Codex, instead it's a tool available to the main model, plus some part of the surrounding harness that will re-prompt it if the tool calls haven't yet indicated that the goal is complete.

The issue that they are trying to solve is that sometimes models will stop before they have actually fully completed whatever task they were given; attention isn't perfect, and someitmes they'll complete part of it but not the whole task. Rather than making the user come back and re-prompt to keep going, they add a way to automatically do a bit more nudging to try to get the model to finish the task.


> Claude Code uses Haiku to read through the transcript and decide if the goal has been completed.

feels kinda odd to use a less capable model to determine if the goal is fully complete. Especially if the user is expecting /goal to thoroughly complete the task. A less capable model would be more likely to misclassify `isComplete?`


> odd

There is nothing odd in the basic principle of Economics of using a "good enough" tool, optimal in other respects (e.g. cheap/er).

(You do not hire Nobel Prize winners as receptionists.)

The issue remains, whether the compromise to be adopted actually is "good enough".


I've tried doing a loop of rending the SVG and then tweaking based on that, with local models (so, not nearly as strong). It wasn't very successful; it would mostly report that the image looked great and didn't need any tweaks. Maybe I should try it again, there have been some newer models since I first tried it. And yeah, maybe worth trying with bigger models. But I have found that models aren't necessarily the best at visual reasoning and review, even with a vision loop. Their lack of visual reasoning is part of why they still have trouble with things like ARC-AGI-3.


I've found much better luck giving it an audit check-list, including some steers like: are there any visual glitches or SVG bugs, are the colours consistent, etc.


They do maintain the Transformers library which is pretty much the core library for how you interact with LLM models in the open source world. So while they weren't using a model they've trained, they were a part of making just about all of the open models (maybe excluding OpenAI and Google's, I wouldn't be surprised if they have their own frameworks that predate the Transformers library).


3.6 Flash scores exactly the same as 3.5 Flash on the Artificial Analysis index. Better on some tasks, worse on others. Mostly within what I'd consider the noise window. Looks pretty much indistinguishable from 3.5 Flash, at least on these benchmarks: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-6-flash


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