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If there's one website I won't waste a teardrop over, it's that Apple communities website. Good lord, that entire place is textbook example of technically-polite toxicity and gaslighting, inflicted by tactics not limited to non-answers. But then almost all the Apple realted online communities are just that.

Apple fanboyism is the worst kind of fanboyism. You can never argue with Apple fanboys, you just say “you are right” and move on.

I'm glad someone is calling it like it is. That place is full of wankers with 400,000 karma points copypasting condescending drivel that helped no one.

Oh, your iPhone is malfunctioning in X way? Well you're probably doing something wrong you should go to the Apple Store.

I usually end up there when I stumble on a frustrating bug or persistent issue in iOS/macOS and there is always a thread with other similar complaints, and they are always unresolved.

There's usually a "power user" chiming in with "I've never heard of this so it must not exist" (these people cross-post on HN too).

My personal favorite Apple Support Community copypasta EVER is the guy who tells people dealing with obvious malware infections and/or security software of any kind that it is all worthless and really their own fault and responsibility if they are infected.


At this point is there a cross-platform UI framework that one can just use? At least for simple or moderately simple apps? Even if it's not "all platofrms" but rather two separately: mobile and desktop. But being extremely lightweight is a pre-requisite. Googling about it takes

When I was making a simple vibe-coded app for a hobby group I am part of I finally went ahead with a static hosted web app because everything else quite complex and still used quite a lot of RAM (just for using the f/w).

I think the only better option as of now is – just write native code for each platform. I think the purest cross-platform UI frameowrk is the LLM itself :)


You can check https://github.com/gen2brain/iup-go , real native controls everywhere, powerful, same codebase for desktop and mobile apps (different layout though). I hope to release soon, after years in making it finally does everything that is planned. With proper documentation, 200+ examples, etc.

You do not have to use Go, of course C works, and there is a nice wrapper for C++. I have ported gVim, it was a good test that helped me optimize many things, but now I maintain and use it on my desktop with Qt, it is just too good to throw it away. Can also be used with WinUI, Cocoa, FLTK gVim is also nice and slick.


Wow this is impressive.

Slint might fit: it runs on desktop and mobile, and it’s lightweight enough to run on microcontrollers. You write the UI in a small declarative language, and the logic in Rust, C++, JS, TS or Python, depending on your preference. (I work on it.)

Flutter. It is very mature as it came before the wave of AI slop and works everywhere without issue, especially mobile.

I come from Android so had early exposure to Flutter. It used to draw every single pixel of the UI on every platform. Felt kinda weird. I guess the point of native UI is to use native UI controls offered. Though I must say that is much better than react native and electron, still. I will check it again. Thanks for reminding.

WFH wasn't emotionally or even physically good for me. Please understand that WFH is not everyone's cup of tea before attacking and downvoting which often happens on forums because people assume that someone saying "WFH isn't for me" means they are opposing WFH. I am not. My last company was 100% remote. It really affected me badly. My interactions (amount, wish to engage, motivation etc), mannerisms started changing. Yes, one can try to supplement human interactions to some extent (groups, hobbies etc) but it's not organic and it's not the same (besides it absolutely doesn't work for everyone). After those ~4 years ended (a bit more considering COVID time at the workplace before that) I tried freelancing for a bit. But only now when I am just trying things on my own, I started going to cafes and co-working spaces to work, or just do things on my laptop there, even for 1-2 hours, and that has helped a lot. I so much feel better, I can decisively do more than at home. I hope I had started doing that when I was already working at my last place. I might not have grown this detached and distanced from the inudstry and work. I might not have sort of lost a few years of my life. I am again gearing up to find full time work and this time I shall try my best to get one in some office, or office like space, somewhere. I really do not want to do WFH anymore. Though I see lot of people benefit from it and use it quite effectively. I think a fantastic balance would be a hybrid approach but I believe employees should just given the option to pick from hybrid, WFH, WFO and the employers ought to make that happen. Because every individual and their needs and wishes are quite unique in this regards.

People are extremely sensitive to anti wfh because it threatens their ability to work from wherever they want.

Having a community of coworkers you see everyday and build relationships with is healthy for humans. Spending 40 hours a week in a room by yourself with only digital interaction, surprisingly, is not great for many people.


As a parent the 40hr thing isn’t reality though. I get to see my kids more when I wfh.

Different people need different things at the end of the day. The reason wfh people are more intense about it is because wfh jobs are less common than in-office and most companies are actively trying to drive all of us back into offices after so many of us finally got what worked better for us. It’s hard to be sympathetic to the in-office fans in this environment. Doesn’t mean we don’t know they exist in large numbers or don’t want them to work the way they want.


> I started going to cafes and co-working spaces to work, or just do things on my laptop there, even for 1-2 hours, and that has helped a lot. I so much feel better, I can decisively do more than at home.

This is the ideal way too imo. Remote has many advantages but I also understand the disadvantages that it has and an approach like this feels like the right balance/tradeoff to me.

We are also not animals built out for isolation. Work still plays a significant role in our meaning to life given that we do it for such long streches of time and isolation within work can have some detrimental effects.

There might be some more logic to it as well. For how long work has ever been done, it was done in the frequents of 1-2 hours, break, 1-2 hours and so on. This is a really good video relating to how work got streched from this to a monotonous 8 hour time or even more.

I think that within pure office, you are unable to really toggle your brain off from work. It is a single strech of long period of time that you are at work. Because if you could tune out then you would've preferred to move back to home and relax. It is very hard to relax within the hours of job and our human body is strictly not built for such levels of stress and endurance at a prolonged period. We need a lot more breaks which most work offices don't give as they see it as a method to "optimize" their employees productivity.

Remote does offer some pushback against it but suffers from the isolation aspect of it.

Hybrid as is your case, can help in providing the balance of work and some form of connection while at it.

I also feel sometimes that this is true but for libraries when studying as perhaps the same principle applies. Though, there is still some laziness exerted in going to the library, I feel as if over the long term, the benefits of going to library might outweigh the costs and that over a long term, it might induce me more net stress not going to library.

Glad that you have found the proper approach to things and I agree with the last paragraph that the employer should be accomodating to all because even from a capitalist perspective, it can allow their employees to actually be on the path to their maximum value and a more happy workforce can be a good thing in general which pays a lot of dividends over a long term.

[0]: https://hackertube.org/watch/hvk_XylEmLo


> We are also not animals built out for isolation.

We probably shouldn't be getting all our socialization at work either. People with healthy active social lives outside of work will probably handle work from home a lot better. There are certain situations where working with others in person is actually better for productivity and that's fine, but when someone's needs as a social animal aren't being met unless they have to go into an office there's likely already something pretty unhealthy going on. It might be too many hours spent working, or a job that's too stressful or demanding, or soul crushing, but I'd be looking for a solution that isn't "lock me in a cage for 8-10 hours a day with a bunch of other trapped workers" first.


> In person wasn't emotionally or even physically good for me. Please understand that in person is not everyone's cup of tea before attacking and downvoting which often happens on forums because people assume that someone saying "In person isn't for me" means they are opposing in person. I am not. My last company was 100% in office.

See? I honestly don't care about colleagues outside what we have to do together. If you are down for the divorce or sad that you found cigs in your daughter's backpack, it's all noise for me. I have friends outside the office and do not wish to make more inside. Please don't spam me with your life, I have no kids and do not care about your eldest's soccer results. I want to do what I am paid for, peacefully, then leave.


I do it. I just found it hard to use it without the touch id. Hope that changes.

By the way how safe that OS and data in it are? Or even that partition is safeguarded by the safeties offered by Apple on a silicon mac?


That's a very complex question that entirely depends on who you're trying to defend from, more than I can explain in a single comment.

The short of it is that you can make it relatively secure, but it will never reach the same levels of security as macOS. The tight integration apple has allows them to do far more for security, for better and for worse.

Worse being apple putting the entire might of the platform's security into making sure the Chess app can't be uninstalled or tampered with.


I get you :)

And also that Safari can't be updated without a macOS update.


The other day my Mac running 26.7.1 updated to Safari 27.2, while still only offering 27.0.1 as an upgrade (no 26.7.2 or 27.2).

> however bad our code is (and I have no issues saying that most of our linux driver code is absolutely horrific

It's the operating system, mate. People don't just use operating systems to take screenshots and then post on social media.

> it's better than Asahi code, because our code exists, and their code doesn't

This is an especially horrific comment if you are really related to the project and this also adds to the perspective on why Asahi team might have wanted to have no nothing to do with this project and related people and their thought process. Anyway, good luck.


https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/blob/quattro/manual/44-mac... but here they say

> Please note that installing on an M-series Mac is not directly supported at this time.


Is there any that supports that fingerprint reader? Asahi doesn't.

I stopped using my fingerprint readers on all my PCs and just set my passwords all to "asdf". It's faster, more convenient, and more consistent, than the fingerprint reader ever was. :)

There was a time when I used to wish for OSX (wasn't macOS yet) on other hardware. Now I want anything but macOS on mac hardware.

MacOS is ok, but I'm also probably going to switch as soon as the Linux supports gets to M5 (Omarchy now runs on M1,M2,M3). One thing that surprised me recently on MacOS is that it's actually quite simple to vibecode applications you want (it just produces standard apps in swift) and it becomes also very malleable this way.

Gravity runs in M4, Asahi has run on M1 and M2 for a while.

What is Gravity? This? https://soloist.ai/gravity

Gravity Linux. It’s a focused on Linux on M4 and M5.

Can't you vibecode apps for other platforms too?

you can vibecode even multiplatform apps!

Absolutely, Linux is now far superior to other commercial OSes when it comes to power users.

Linux is the new Hackintosh. Well, for many of us it was always the spiritual descendant of the old-school Macintosh, the thinker's toy from the land of Woz. The ultimate malleable computer system you can build at home, where all the building blocks are written in code you can read and understand, and change the enviroment how we want while we're using it.

Apple ][ (+, e) were DIY/hacker-friendly. The //c more closed and first Mac moreso. The ][ product line more Woz and Mac was more Jobs. During those machines prime era it was clear that those with the hacker/DIY itch better served on the early IBM PC clone and MS-DOS machines. Apple lost a lot of nerds for a period and wasnt really til OS X it seems that they wanted us back.

Since when could you build a Mac at home ?

100% this.

I did run a Hackintosh back in 2015. I bought all the 100% compatible hardware, ran all the updates and firmwares from tonymacx86, etc. And even went through a couple painful upgrade cycles, until the M-chips came out....

Now, I just want a Arch-based custom dev machine, and in the era of vibe-coding self-indulgent vanity software, I can more than make up for the flows and tools I had on my mac that won't work on Linux, which isn't much.


The trick is to stay on 10.15, modern macOS is rubbish.

Snow Leopard, 10.6.8 was the last Mac OS version I truly liked --- I haven't even been able to keep track of version ordering for a long while.

10.15 is rubbish as well, they've broken hibernation and never fixed it.

Thinking the exact same, would have bought Mac hardware long ago if Linux was supported (or even running!) on the latest gen. It's all down to the need for local llm capability!

I just get a graphics workstation/gamers quality laptops and place Linux/Windows on them.

Not only they are more powerful than comparable Apple hardware at the same hardware price point[0], they have more ports without funny dongles, and I get to use the winning combo of server and desktop OSes in market share, and industry APIs.

Yes there are more powerful Apple laptops available when money is no question, but I don't live in that world, nor am I getting into debt unless there is no way around it.


I live in a country where there is no market for a decent business laptop with good support (like a P1) and everything is plasticy or RGB-laden tat.

I was kind of forced onto a mac as it was the only thing that had decent-enough support or I could buy an identical new one and restore a backup on, without having to use something grey market


Unless it's a very specific hardware, most Linux distros will boot up fine from the same disk image on different machines or even inside a VM.

That doesn't seem to be a common situation though, having access to premium Apple hardware, and not business laptops.

Same here, as well. To be able to configure and buy a nice business laptop, I need to talk with specialized dealers, and these doesn't come cheap because they're one-offs (CTO or otherwise). Mac is much more obtainable.

> Not only they are more powerful than comparable Apple hardware at the same hardware price point[0]

Allow me to doubt. Results vary between specific scenarios (gaming or other GPU intensive tasks being an obvious example), but the raw performance of Apple silicon for the price is unmatched.


Someone failed to read my last paragraph only to leave a comment.

I don't understand why you would say that. Your last sentence doubles down on how the bang-for-the-bucks is worse with Apple and I disagree with this. You'd have to spend more money on a x86 CPU to have the same power.

Only if one ignores the whole package, between CPU, GPU, number of available ports without having to carry falling dongles, external screen connections, industry standard graphics and gaming APIs.

Your power comes with a one or two ports, maybe a memory card reader or not, a GPU API that is only relevant thanks to iOS games, a broken keyboard that took six years to fix, an OS that even hardcore podcasts like ATP routinely complain about.


Back in the P4-dev-machine Intel Mac days, I played a tiny part in getting OS X running on commodity hardware. It was such a vibrant, hacker-y community, and a real thrill to see OS X boot on a Dell. Long after my patches were superseded, I still told everyone I'd helped. Honestly, I was like that friend who wouldn't stop telling you about their trip to Bar-thel-ona.

Nowadays, every time I open my work Mac, the only thing I can muster is "at least it's not Windows." And the only reason I even use one for work is that the unified memory does come in handy for compute.


It's the point at which I honestly don't want any of the popular available OS/hardware for my own machine: windows is ad hell (and quality also), macos goes towards touch ui hell (and updates always break more than I would expect), linux update always break major features I use on my current laptop (sleep and hibernation), and the complexity of setting up hybrid gpu setup: i really DON'T want or need to use nvidia gpu for rendering my desktop! But there'll be no external display output without enabling nvidia gpu all-time. Sad state of the drivers quality from the top-10 tech company of today (nvidia) for the most popular professional OS (linux)! Battery life is 2h on linux (30% of the expected). Windows 10 works fine 6h on the same machine!

What to set up?


>What to set up?

A local business that interacts with real humans and serves a purpose in the community.

Not the answer you are looking for but this is perfectionism at play. Use anything you like well enough and seek out the task to solve instead. These are tools, you can sharpen them to work better but cutting is the task not just sharpening all the time.


Linux with AMD graphics is much more stable than with nvidia.

I have also counterintuitivly found Arch Linux (a rolling release distro) way more stable than Ubuntu LTS. Things like sleep works, and any bugs are small and fixed quickly, bug reports are followed up on within a couple of days. With Ubuntu bug reports go without any replies from the maintainers, and maybe it will be fixed by happenstance by the next release.


If you want stability I don’t think you can beat Debian. If you want easy, compatible graphics go with integrated or AMD. If you want good battery life get a recent model with a modern CPU architecture. My thinkpad running Debian ticks all these boxes. It goes for 8+ hours and it isn’t even the model with the wattiest battery.

Have to admit I giggled a little. Macs had hardware issues for a while with not so great cpus and butterfly keyboards. Now that Apple has gotten so good at hardware their software is struggling a lot.

Anyone that knows Apple history, knows that they software was never that great, remember they almost went bankrupt while trying to write a new OS.

Anyone that knows Apple history knows that they were the de facto standard in most graphics, audio, and video industries for decades due to their rock solid OS and driver support by 3rd parties in those fields - Adobe, Quark, Cubase, MOTU, AVID, Shake etc... There's a reason you saw so many Macbook DJs and fully Mac OS post-production houses.

Only in US and a few other countries with similar salary levels, the rest of the world has mostly used Windows versions of the same applications.

Remember the 10% market share in the 1990s did not cover all the related jobs across the planet.

And now with the demise of the workstation market, some studios have switched to Windows based workstations for their audio, graphics and visual effects gear instead of dealing with thunderbolt spaghetti.


Well it kind of did tbh. Adobe Illustrator 1.0 (1987), QuarkXPress (1987), and Adobe Photoshop 1.0 (1990) all launched as Mac-only software.

In 1991 Apple then launched QuickTime and FireWire was codified as a standard by 1995. They literally defined the software and firmware which made digital editing possible on a workstation in the 90s.

Adobe Premiere was architected around Quicktime. Avid alone held an estimated 80%+ market share in the professional broadcast, TV, and film industry and was exclusively Apple until mid-95. That's not in the US, that's Globally.

Apple then launched Final Cut and ended up capturing 49% of the U.S. professional editing market by the mid-2000s.

Here's a fun read and personal chronology

https://www.cined.com/apple-at-50-the-company-that-made-me-a...

"Throughout the early 1990s, virtually all nonlinear editing happened on Macintosh"


Those softwares also existed on Windows, and there were plenty of countries in the 1990s with zero Apple presence on their markets.

In Portugal, there was a single shop in Lisbon, Interlog, in the days before Internet, required driving down to Lisbon, or flying from the Islands into mainland, to get those computers, at double the price of getting PCs, Amiga or Atari instead.

This in Europe, in other continents with lower income levels, it was already good enough to get their hands on PC clones.

Poor fellows, did not had any multimedia productions. /s


macOS/OS X is pretty solid, yes. Mac OS "Classic" (Version <= 9), though, was not nearly as stable. Classic is where most of the big names in media software started, though.

I mean it was good enough for the Beach Boys to record the first full-length album recorded and assembled entirely in-DAW.

Macintosh NuBus computers (the early PPC stuff running System 7.5 onwards) took over completely from TimeLine WaveFrame as Pro Tools established istself in film audio and foley work. Think Toy Story onwards, or anything in Skywalker Sound from the mid 90s.


Pixar was mostly UNIX workstations, and since owned by Steve Jobs, a couple of NeXTSTEP alongside SGI.

Snow Leopard was the pinnacle of operating systems, it was just the best

I wonder if we can use AI to deshittify macOS then. Or just ask an AI to copy what we like from macOS onto a Linux (or GNU/Hurd) kernel.

I just want a Snow Leopard port to my Macbook Pro M4

At least it's not Windows. MacOS is still pretty decent compared to that.

> Now I want anything but macOS on mac hardware.

But... why?

Like, Windows is a pile of dung, Windows 11 follows the general consumer Windows trend of "decent, braindead, decent, braindead" that we saw ever since Windows 98 (decent), ME (braindead), XP (decent), Vista (braindead), 7 (decent), 8 (braindead), 10 (decent), 11 (goddamn fucking braindead). And this time unfortunately I do not see Microsoft ever backing down.

Mainstream Linux, hardware compatibility questions aside, is nowhere near macOS in terms of functionality and usability, and completely off the charts in terms of UI polish.

"Linux on mainstream desktops" will only be a thing when someone shows up and invests like half a billion euros into UI and UX designers into the most common pieces of software - and yeets GNOME in the dustbin.


yes of course. where's the ai with getting linux to boot on a modern apple laptop?

Came here to say this. If this thing ran Windows, it'd be a dream computer!

I'm kidding of course. Really looking forward to the days of the liberated mac hardware though!


After more than a decade of successfully avoiding TextEdit (and seeing it only once in every months by mistake when some rtf file click would open it) I finally changed the format to Plain Text, a few months ago, and it is now consistently beating CotEditor in usage. I honestly never even thought I could use this app in plain text mode. SubEthaEdit would have been still my favourite but it's abandoned now.

Want to ISP-less in India? :D At least ACT doesn't blanet throttle/fail uplaods of any sort like Jio does on its 5G – even LLM calls fail.

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