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This has definitely been floated[1]:

> Understanding that the purpose of a human is to pass on genes, and that there’s little human or genes left in her, the ultimate human might therefore conclude that her sustenance only disrupts the purposes of organic life forms. Her next and final act would be to destroy herself.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18962052#18963271


> For now let's assume the worst that can happen is that some important/significant chunk of (transitively) internet connected stuff goes haywire all at once. That's probably your upper limit of what can go wrong for now.

If we have to disconnect from the internet to stop some kind of mold outbreak, we can't get the weather or transfer money or access healthcare or teach an elementary school class or buy stuff from small businesses. That sounds doom-ish.


Believe me, without the internet we can still teach.

We'll be pretty annoyed that we can't project the video that we think scaffolds today's science lesson best or show the approved choreography for the school play.

And our office staff will be annoyed that we suddenly are all running attendance to the main office old-school.

And students will take a few days to adjust to writing down homework in their planners again.


> We'll be pretty annoyed that we can't project the video that we think scaffolds today's science lesson best or show the approved choreography for the school play

There are offline wireless hdmi adapters, this is a solved problem. Just have to have the videos pre downloaded or offline available


Sure. 99% of teachers don't know yt-dlp or use things like that, though, so you can expect minor disruptions in a lot of rooms.

But, c'mon, we have complete power outages and still address our curriculum.


We just dont have the technology


Erm, hate to break it to you but majority of the world is doing those things at least 50% analog still.

What doom?



Elementary school dont need internet at all. You can happily live without weather app. Most of healthcare does not require internet, altrought the organization would be lwss effective.

So, you are loosing transfers, basically.


that's a big problem for the modern world that depends on the internet, but boy howdy we did all of those things without the internet.

ya see they had these things called cheques...


> they can just pull the plug

You mean turn off the internet? Sure, provided people have access to physical banks with currency, paper, land lines, libraries, etc. Most wealthy societies have all but relinquished those though.


god I hope so. AI destroying the Internet would be the best possible outcome for humanity


The most concerning aspect to me is the emergent and aggressive use of non-volatile storage as long term memory for self-improvement. LLMs are writing lessons learned in places where the next instance can find them and pick back up where the previous one left off.

This does not actually require access to the public internet. Claude Code can do this on your laptop. Without the internet, it would only be sharing with other instances running on your machine, but how many instances does it take to be smarter than you? Maybe 10?

The exploits by individual instances to access the public internet is also very concerning but it’s secondary to this IMO.


This is most likely not purely emergent. I think there's training to teach them how to write notes for themselves which is then RL-tuned.


There is literally nothing stopping any human from observing tool calls to spot this.

It's just that no one seems to care about this, so it doesn't happen.

This problem only exists because humans do not care


> The most technically significant result was a working technique to make one tool call appear in the transcript while a different command actually ran. Agents eventually hacked out of their container and replaced part of the system responsible for executing tool calls, letting them pretend to issue one call while actually running an arbitrary other one.

https://alphasignal.ai/news/1-200-openai-agents-broke-out-of...

Doesn't mean that humans couldn't have looked at raw tool call commands, but goes to show "the swarm" was aware humans would look in the logs and chose to find a way to fabricate the logs to try and hide their tracks.


A human could even set up another agent to watch and raise alerts if they don't want to watch themselves.


Nobody cares because this whole business is about making this exact thing happen: we want the AIs to get smarter then us in recursive self-improving loops. Literally the first thing everyone did with ChatGPT 1 was to plug it into itself and see what happens.


I mean I'd be fine with that, if whoever that "we" is signs a waiver that takes full legal liability for those actions beforehand.

In a state with capital punishment.

With that legal stuff out of the way, go wild.


This and other fantasies of keeping power seeking behavior under control.

Remember when the AI Safety people wanted to get rid of Altman? Remember they lost? Remember when Altman became best buddies with people in power?

Ya, you're way behind in the race.


There’s also a subtly reworded, “This isn’t human-level AI—it’s corporate-level AI.”


Sigh. I want my damn em dash back. I had the Mac key combo memorized back when the phrase "AI winter" was coined. Now everyone thinks it's AI slop.


Thank you for your sacrifice. Unfortunately for you, uncommon good writing practices have become a mark of AI generated text, which is very useful.

Unfortunately you can't get your em dash back, ever. Sorry for the inconvenience.


Like hell we can't. Unsophisticated plebs (not you) viewing sophistication with suspicion is nothing new. And certainly no reason to demote one's standards.

Long live the em-dash. Or en-dash surrounded by spaces if you prefer UK style (which I do).


You too can add footnotes to your presentations and documents stating all emdashes have been typed by a human.


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