What a ridiculously negative comment. Obviously ragebait, but I'll bite anyways.
Did you forget that until five minutes ago humans used to read the code? And they needed to understand it? Yes, there was an actual desire for great Ruby-like syntax without the implications of using it, like its performance characteristics and the need for an interpreter.
Yes, it didn't go mainstream. Should we all abandon every project we've ever worked on because they're not "relevant"?
Sorry, but no. This is not true. It definitely was hard. So hard that few people actually made games. I remember using GAS (Unreal Engine) and being baffled by the complexity of the framework. And then when I didn't use GAS, I was baffled by the complexity of what it handled. It's hard.
That's fine, I'm only making the point that it's not really relevant to coding. Programmers have been outright copying each other's code for decades to the chagrin of nobody.
> The days of techies gatekeeping these experiences are over.
Why do people keep using the word "gatekeeping"? "Techies" made open source. Anyone could have taken the time to learn what they wanted, the tools and the resources were available.
The disdain for tech will always baffle me. Yes, this stuff is hard. A lot of it requires a certain level of skill. Even now, you still require some level of skill to get good results.
Also, the "techies" are naturally going to be a lot better at pushing AI to its limits. This doesn't change the playing field - it means more people can do more things, but the upper end of the skill range is going to be just as far ahead, if not further ahead, of everyone else as it always was.
> Anyone could have taken the time to learn what they wanted, the tools and the resources were available.
False in reality. Just ask any dev who has had to listen to family and friends' app ideas over the last decade. The good news for them is soon they will never be asked again.
Having a concept is completely different, their unwillingness to dive into implementation cannot be blamed on the "techies". I would wager that the same people who were pitching unrealistic app ideas then are still not trying to make apps using AI.
What AI has largely changed is how the communication barrier (or perception thereof) is dealt with between two sides: one which consists of those who perceive gatekeeping or attribute their lack of substantive progress to it, and the other side which consists of the time, resources, and skills the former feels entitled to or indebted towards.
I’ve had a running theory for a few years now that some tech folks are more open to receiving an error message from a compiler or other tool, than they are to critical feedback from a peer. If they’re blocked and finally have exhausted their other avenues (pre-LLM: web searches, forums, etc), they’ll reluctantly engage with a peer, and do so with extremely limited patience.
The first paragraph of this reply is extending that theory to non-tech —-> tech, but replace compilers with LLMs that _appear_ to be more useful (or at least busy) working with what limited context you provide them, especially when it’s insufficient.
It won’t quite tell you your app idea is unrealistic or that the implementation is nearly impossible, but after burning a bunch of time and tokens, those people will eventually get the point.
There are countless people with essentially no domain knowledge to speak of after working on the domain for a decade.
I have no idea how the original authors competency is, I know nothing about them.
There is however a strong correlation between people being influencers and kinda mediocre at what they're an influencer in - which is frankly understandable, because a large part of their skillset is usually more towards attracting an audience and making the topic interesting.
Usually the true domain experts rarely interface with the public beyond their professional capacity.
What has Victor Taelin made which is any way comparable to Linus Torvalds? I'm not saying it's impossible to be a well-known expert with a shitty google scholar. I'm just not seeing any evidence at all in Taelin's case. He doesn't even have a wikipedia page!
I found the post offputting because he is insinuating a few things about the author which are clearly untrue (eg, unfamiliar with the formal verification landscape) and he's using this untrue speculation as evidence of the dangers of vibe coding. Even the edit where he says swap it out with a hypothetical person who fits the description - it's still leaving in the untrue claims about the author.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to think it mean if I were to make up speculative negative assumptions about you which undermined something you've been working hard on for a long period of time.
I know nothing about the author, I'm just watching this whole spectacle unfold.
It is mean for the last point I mentioned: Taelin is very transpparent about his work which makes it easy to attack him. And what for? This post is not even a proper criticism of Bend 2, it is just trying to paint some story that Taelim is a vinecoder who does not know what he is doing, based on no evidence. If he was not transparent it would not even be known that LLMs have been used.
Because this shitty blogs' author just called someone "vibe-coding a language with no knowledge about the field" who is literally working in that very field for a decade, long predating LLMs, with numerous high-profile works.
You are on the wrong side of this whole discussion, there is only one people here who needs calling out and it's not Bend's author.
I think this whole "that half" and "this half" thing makes it significantly harder to hold people in the government accountable. I know plenty of conservative people who think the corruption in the government is out of control.
Do they act on their beliefs or merely parrot them?
I ask because I've known people who were shocked at what took place 2021-01-06 but who proudly voted to re-elect Trump.
Today isn't much different: talk to a conservative voter who complains about the tariffs, Iran war, etc. and ask them whether it would be enough for them to vote Democrat, and the answer is near universally no. Lots of people have performative outrage because they're supposed to be outraged at what's going on, but the truth is that there's no line the Republican party can cross which would make them switch votes. Exceptions to this rule are still few and far between as far as I can gather.
Elections are won and lost by the people who don't vote so not voting for Trump still counts as a win.
Most politics is sold as tribal. "Our leader" and "Our team" are not the same thing. If "Our leader" is a disappointment, "Our team" can still be the good guys who need to do some house clearing, introduce some fresh blood, and all will be well again, etc.
Reality in the US is most politics is billionaire-funded. Trump didn't just happen, and he certainly didn't pull himself into the top job through his own efforts. He was groomed for decades before being crowned.
That's the level of corruption most of the population never sees. It's why the establishment is so scared of wildcard politicians and the DSA as a movement - both threaten to snip the strings of corporate funding.
As long as those strings are there, what happens in the media is kayfabe. The real decisions are made elsewhere, and the big tentpole events - 9/11 and its aftermath, the various Middle Eastern wars, financial crashes and bailouts - are the special menu the rich get to feed off, and the public never sees in advance, never mind votes on.
Do those conservative people keep voting for Trump? Will they support his blatantly unconstitutional third term run? If so I think we need more words for nuances around what conservatism has come to mean.
I'm sad to say I don't feel like I have a good handle on what is going to happen in the near future. Between the ongoing daily "flood the zone" from the administration and how fast AI is moving I have no idea what happens even a few months out from here.
Do I think he will run? I don't know - he said he wants to, regardless of constitution, and I think he would love the vanity of it if he was sure to win. They've done a lot of work to be able to suppress votes, throw out mail in votes, and declare the election invalid, plus the legislature seems inexplicably spineless, so I don't know if he would run again or not. Anything but release the epstein files I guess?
I'm currently working on a harness and I just integrated Antigravity support through `agy`. I can't risk my main Google account getting banned so it looks like I'll be stopping this immediately. Yikes... and I was feeling good about 3.8 Flash too...
It sounded closer to Scion, which wraps the various harnesses. Given your reply, I'm not sure where your project sits in the stack or what you mean by `agy` support in another harness
Did you forget that until five minutes ago humans used to read the code? And they needed to understand it? Yes, there was an actual desire for great Ruby-like syntax without the implications of using it, like its performance characteristics and the need for an interpreter.
Yes, it didn't go mainstream. Should we all abandon every project we've ever worked on because they're not "relevant"?