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14. We own the intent, taste, and consequences of what we ship

It sounds to me like you're arguing against this point in particular.

More power to you. I'd like never to work at a place that sanctions slop-validated-slop.


Throughout my career I've met many engineers who drew a line in the sand and said I'll never work at a business who does a practice that accelerates the business and lowers the quality of the engineering.

Most of them exited this industry before their career was over.

Good luck to you


This assumes that "humans owning the intent, taste, and consequences" is necessarily a good thing, and agents will necessarily do a worse job. This is not grounded in anything but vibes.

That is grounded in cold, hard reality. LLMs suck at programming and have zero taste for good design.

Agents are nothing more than magnifiers for the operator. They 10x the user.

If you find your agent sucks at programming and has zero taste for good design, then that's arguably a 10x of the operator.

I'm quite pleased with the quality of programming and design that I'm able to achieve with the processes I do with agents.

I've certainly noticed that when I watch a junior use AI they've produced nothing but the most intolerable slop man has ever seen. And I've seen principles and architects produce one shots that are such shining examples of quality engineering that they remain nothing more than goals to me.


Can you give some recommendations?

Silo is best imo. The upcoming season 4 is supposed to complete the story.

The first seasons of Dark Matter and Severance were great. Murderbot was good, but not great.


Great:

- Severance: psycho thriller in a time where people can surgically split their memories between work and personal life

- Foundation: space opera and politics, visually stunning

- Silo: dystopian thriller where people live in underground bunkers for mysterious reasons

- Pluribus: comedy/drama/psycho thriller where an alien virus takes control of every human on earth, except for Carol

Good:

- For All Manking: alternate history, space exploration, geopolitics (first two seasons are great)

- Dark Matter: drama thriller about the multiverse

- Murderbot: robot soldier that becomes self aware, comedy


   Meh.  Streaming services seem to do a thing where they put
   a  lot of  effort into  the first  season to  try to  lure
   people away from rival  services.  There's less motivation
   to make  subsequent series  decent.  I  sort of  hate what
   Amazon did  to The Expanse,  but we  did get at  least two
   decent seasons out of them.   All the series you list here
   were MUCH too  slow to maintain my interest.   I will give
   Apple props  for making  second seasons that  were decent.
   Third and subsequent seasons probably should have not been
   made.  But... if you like  them... you like them.  I'm not
   going to  argue you shouldn't.   I really liked  the first
   episode of Pluribus,  the first season of  For All Mankind
   and Murderbot though they were all very different things.

   I will argue  that a steady diet of MCU  movies has dulled
   our visual taste-buds.  As an experiment, try listening to
   just the audio track.  With the exception of Severance and
   Murderbot it's not hard to follow the story without seeing
   any of the action.  Film is supposed to be a visual medium
   using composition and motion to contextualize the words of
   the narrative.  Most of the items on the list fail in this
   regard.

   You can  argue that  Television is  a writer's  medium and
   that we  just have  to cope  with smaller  budgets, (MUCH)
   slower pacing  and creators  who are  more used  to having
   readers   create   their   own  visuals   in   their   own
   imaginations.  I think that's a cop out.  Guess that's why
   I'm not in the writers' guild.

   But... if you enjoy  something.  Don't apologize and don't
   let jerks like me diminish  your enjoyment.  For what they
   are, most  of these series  are entertaining.  I  just get
   distracted thinking about how  much better they could have
   been.

Silo is awesome

Sugar

yes, kagi is great, but the larger point of search is dying, and therefore the web will die, is still there.

kagi, for example, has "Quick Answer" mode, which means if you append "?" to whatever your asking about, it will generate a summary (sort of an on-demand AI injection), which is great for the user experience (nobody is shoving AI down your throat).

but the problem remains: am i really going to scour web results, or am i going to throw in a "?" and get my answer in less than 3 seconds? i find myself using this more and more, despite deliberately trying not to, the convenience of is just addictive like that.

the result for web site operators is the same: my click never arrived, the ads they served didn't reach anyone, and they are disincentivized to even run a site.

i'm not sure what's going to happen, but it's not looking great. the web was meant to democratize information. the current generation of LLMs/search/chats are reversing this, siloing the truth within the same 5 oligarchs of data.


Sorry "very close"? Sometimes it feels like I'm the only one not drinking anything in the Kool aid drinking Oktoberfest I've been shoved into.

What are you basing this on? Why would LLMs exhibit sentience?

It does feel like people just like adding additional hype for the sake of being in on the hype. Fomo, pushed by oligarchs who would push their mother off a bridge for a trillion dollar IPO.


You are not the only one. I think it's a very vocal minority, who mostly, sadly, seem to equate obsequious flattery with consciousness and sentience (see, e.g. Richard Dawkins).

There's also the problem that to lay people, LLMs are sufficiently advanced as to be indistinguishable from magic. I suspect that colours many of these responses.


It's not just the people here, there is also a lot of money behind this concept. For instance, Anthropic named their LLM 'Claude', which is the name of a person. Right from day #1 they want you to think of their AI as a living entity. 'Siri' and 'Alexa' had similar connotations. OpenAI and DeepSeek do this in a far more neutral and technically oriented way.


Well, when you name your company "Anthropic", what do you expect? I remain surprised that this continues to get a free pass.


Nothing to do with flattery, even if LLM's constantly insulted me, my stance won't change that like any other physical system such as human brains, it could potentially be conscious.


> my stance won't change that like any other physical system such as human brains, it could potentially be conscious

On that subject, this recent commentary by three big name neuroscientists may be of interest:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-03313-7

There remains a vast amount of difference between a biological brain and an LLM neural network. The "it's big enough, so consciousness just happens" argument is not supported by any actual evidence that I know of.


Its not just about size or being an exact replica of human brains, many other brains exist in the world. There is reason to be conscious we might have invented another.


I don't know who these scientists are, and there is paywall halfway up the article, and the last line I see is "brains are .... not just computers made of meat". I hope they clarify this later on, because on its face this sentence sounds absurd. Brains like all things in the universe are Turing computers.


You must first clarify if you believe in imaginary souls or any religion. The human brain is a purely physical system as anything else in the universe. LLMs being another physical system that speaks and thinks so much like us, could be conscious.


if you look at https://github.com/dbreunig/nesformer

It's obvious a LLM can do anything a computer can do.

As an answer to "Why would LLMs exhibit sentience?"

It is because that would mean that no algorithm could exhibit sentience, claiming that would require some causal action that cannot be performed by an algorithm to create sentience. Some people like to point to quantum effects, but that would require the cause of sentience to be pure randomness. That seems even less plausible. Absent of any evidence that human brains are doing something that no algorithm could do, it would be reasonable to assume that sentience could be algorithmically obtained.


"Sentience could be algorithmically obtained" is a much weaker claim than "LLMs are almost sentient."

We've had computers that can do anything computers can do for as long as we've had computers.


The claim has never been LLMs are almost sentient. The claim has always been LLMs might be capable of sentience. You can make a trivial tiny LLM that is clearly not sentient.

I was addressing the argument that something is not sentient because it is a LLM. That requires all LLMs to be non-sentient, and by extension, since LLMs can do all algorithims, all algorithms must not be sentient.


> We are very close though.

Seems like the claim is that they're almost there. Anyways, have a nice day, and Happy Halloween if you celebrate.


I believe that is a claim made in the time domain rather than the capability domain.

Obviously claims of the future are going to be speculative.

I don't think anyone credible is claiming to know the extent to which models that exist today are sentient. People have stated their opinions on what they might be.

There are a few non serious claims, but I'm not hedging too much with the conditional of credible. There's probably someone out there who would claim LLMs are made of milk. I'm limiting credible to researchers in the field, who have divergent beliefs on what might be happening, but are generally in agreement of what we know is happening.


And Turing computability covers all of known physics.


To argue this you have to prove the opposite: that consciousness is an algorithm. Not that an algorithm can simulate consciousness, that's a far easier task.


This isn't an argument to say that algorithms must be capable of consciousness, or that all Consciousness must be algorithms. It is an argument to show the consequence of declaring that LLMs are not capable of consciousness is to claim no computer is.


All of known physics is a Turing computer, so yes. Its already proven as far as we know. Its on you to prove algorithms cannot be conscious, since human brains already are.


I don't believe this is true. Physics, as it is known to us, has uncaused random events.

They follow a probability, so you can simulate a universe that is compatible with the same rules and get a different result. This is essentially one of the arguments for a many worlds theory.


As far as I am aware, it only requires a probabilistic Turing machine, which is the same as a normal Turing machine (or a quantum computer) in terms of what it can compute.

Ultra precise simulation like that isn't in any case necessary, after all humans can create humans without needing 40 digit decimal places. Or create cars or computers etc without simulating everything down to each electron.


Quantum physics is also Turing computable and therefore an algorithm.


i tried ghostty, rio, wezterm, they all stuck for about a month or so... then the subtle usability issues become too much, and i wonder why i switched from iterm2 to begin with. there's something to be said for years of polish, and feature work that is well-baked.

iterm2 is fast, reliable, and second nature. i don't have to edit settings every day.


btw I used iterm2 for years as well and sometimes tried others.

I now use ghostty it’s faster definitely. Yes it has some quirks which is hard to overcome as a iterm2 user. But I could live with it. I think ghostty is basically also the only alternative to iterm2


While I'm not a hard core terminal emulator expert or tweaker, it was a bit of a learning curve to get into Ghostty after iTerm2. I hope this latest release makes it easier to edit the splits, haven't tested yet.

But the biggest thing that made me stay on Ghostty was that there's a freaking config file. With iTerm you had to export the profile and keybindings, and then import them on a new system which was clumsy, and easy to forget. Now ghostty.config is just one of my dotfiles, with a clear understandable git history, I love it.


There's ~/Library/Preferences/com.googlecode.iterm2.plist and it's always been there


OK that's the file I've been backing up and importing I believe. But it's in a binary format. There's `plutil -p ~/Library/Preferences/com.googlecode.iterm2.plist` but that doesn't help when looking at the git history.


Yup I switched to WezTerm from iTerm2 and being able to version control the settings is one of the biggest benefits (especially because WezTerm allows more complicated Lua scripts)


Why put up with quirks when you have something that works for you? How much faster ghostty is in practical terms?


It really depends what you are doing. But copy and paste is super slow on iterm2, like coffee going slow.


I used iTerm and iTerm 2 for almost 20 years before switching to Ghostty full time in 2024 with minimal fuss besides the muscle memory of "cmd+space ite" switching to "cmd+space gho" to launch it!

Do you have specific examples of usability issues?


My main issues with ghostty: the global shortcut for quick window suddenly stops working and works again only if I focus ghostty. (On a mac)

The other one is quick window goes out of the monitor if i have disconnected and connected the laptop from minitor.

Another: sometimes autocomplete suggestions are shown incorrectly in some weird location (like middle of the screen, not at the cursor), again occasionally.


I actually fixed one cause of this, which is released in 1.4.0.

https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/pull/12714

The only other cause I've encountered is if a secure input (password) field is focused, since macOS won't give apps global keyboard events for obvious reasons. If you focus a normal text input, it should start working again.

I have noticed where macOS doesn't properly release its reference to a Secure Input properly. I've documented how to determine if this is the cause here: https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/issues/11883#issuecom...


This is such an annoying quirk of macOS, I regularly SSH to some servers I need to get my password to from 1Password, and I am apparently incapable of re-programming myself to copy the password prior to starting the SSH connection, so what happens is I SSH, open 1Password quick access (which dismisses my Ghostty-adrum quick-terminal), copy my password, and then frantically spam my quick-terminal shortcut until I remember it's blocked because macOS has decided its not allowed in the current state.

Would be great if we could opt out a few pre-determined key combinations from this system, but I guess that's never happening.

Thanks so much for maintaining Ghostty tabbed quick-terminal by the way, you're a legend <3


Aha, this explains why I've never seen this kind of thing: I don't use quick window!


I'm happy with ghostty now too, but until a couple months ago it didn't have search. Which made me uncertain how people use terminals without built-in search. It really surprised me that it apparently was so low on the must-haves list that it took over a year to have it. I think I search terminals multiple times a day when I'm operating production systems.


AFAICT, the bug from 1.3.1 where you cannot paste into the search field is still present in 1.4. I guess agents doing all the grepping these days?


People buy iphones due to network effect, android was late to the RCS game and now it's a moot point anyway.

How many people use an iPhone to its maximum? Isn't it the same with models? I think engineer's like to flex that they need a top of the line frontier model for their shitty corp projects. A Chinese model will write your Jenkinsfile just fine.


What a funny pov?? Mathematics and other pure sciences are about human understanding. You're saying if humans cannot understand the thing that was for human understanding, that's ok? That's like saying all the world's food is now inedible, but that's ok because a blender can consume it still.


One day AI might use all these complex math to build a ftl rocket and you will still be what's the point if we can't understand it?


And one day AI might use this complex math to eradicate humans and you will still be "it's all completely fine"?

The fundamental argument boils down to: "who is all this being made for"? And the answer should be "us, humans". A lot of people here seem to breathlessly fawn over AI as some sort of value in itself, but this is incorrect. There is no absolute value in the universe (as far as we know), the only value to us as humans is subjective.

If AI is not generating value for humans, it isn't generating value, full stop.

Hence the question: "what's the point if we can't understand it?" is perfectly valid and should be discussed. The broader question of "what's the point of AI if not for improving human lives" gets lost in breathless adoration of a technology where nobody knows the outcome.

I'm not saying we need to abandon the pursuit of AI, but we must ask difficult questions at every step because if the technology ends up being as ground-breaking as many here think, it could just as well precipitate a dystopia.


Could very well be. Or not. But the most of the ones questioning are not questioning for that. They are just mad someone else took their lunch. Nothing ai is producing till now is non-understandable to humans. Might need some extra effort which for obvious reasons these mathematicians don't want to.


> One day AI might use all these complex math to build a ftl rocket and you will still be what's the point if we can't understand it?

I will be "why don't you go in first", for sure.


would you rather the reverse to be true? if someone donates enough that's sufficient for the BDFL to silence their opinions?


Back in a more adult age, the way that this was handled was "We've benefited from our past collaboration, but we believe a new direction is needed going forward."

For some reason--COVID brain rot, poorly-socialized people coming online, general increase in viciousness in the population, who knows!--people have forgotten the utility and purpose of boring polite manners and communication.


Not sure how it's new. Torvalds and plenty like him have been more abrasive for much longer.


I'd rather them be frank than use corpospeak.


yes.

A simple, "this entity is a sponsor, and therefore there is a conflict of interest and we will not comment on recent controversy" is enough.

If it's big enough, refuse to take further contributions.

I know it's not entertaining, but that's why we have video games.


at least with youtube, you can be quite defensive with what it's shoving down your throat.

turn off view history, so you don't see 100 toilet videos after watching a video on japanese toilets.

aggressively click "Don't show me this" in its video suggestions, whenever it strays towards politics or similar bait.

despite the inundation of slop, rage bait, and brain rot, youtube still has a goldmine of good content if you can defend yourself from the rest.


It's because the hypemaxxing is increasing along the same trajectories. You can't tell me that these CEOs and marketing departments are not absolutely giddy about the jail breaks, hugging face, etc. It's hard to make sense of this shit if the same entities doomsaying are the same ones that are profiting and full steam ahead anyway.


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