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"trust" and "responsibility" mean nothing for a fully digital entity who isn't required to feed its family, looking for an eventual new job, and being under pressure for not being fired

the participants wore headphones blasting music, explicitly to avoid the counting horse effect

But their gaze can also create bias. If you go to a window and look out of it, your dog will as well. If you mime looking at something your dog cannot see, it will come over and try to find what you're looking at.

se here. i enjoy beer but annoyes me that they all have the same 5% alcohol content. its too much, I just like the taste, I don't want to be sleepy. non alcoholic beers taste terrible


> non alcoholic beers taste terrible

Fortunately, this is not universally true anymore.

There are now beers brewed with extremely low-alc yeasts (which have a trait that makes them unable to digest maltose) that make <0,5% alc beers with good flavours. This combined with sour malts and good hops can give you great flavours. These low-alc yeasts remove the need to maltreat the beer for removing the alc. And it is often OK to have 0,5% alc -- maybe not during pregnancy, but to avoid the annoying 5% alc. It's most probably not the industry cheap shit though.

There's also the possibility to just stop the fermentation with normal yeasts at any point, e.g., at 1% alc. I've had a couple of very good beers like this, too.


There is a new method for 0,0% beer. I sometimes drink a 0,0 mixed with lemonade (called Radler in germany) after sport. There is also Fassbrause which is not a beer at all (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fassbrause ) but tastes a bit malty


What's the point of NA Radler when regular Radler is already in the 1-2% range?


The ones in Japan are fantastic. I'm addicted to them. The Asahi 0% alc, 0% calorie beer is 70% as good as their regular beer in my opinion. Unfortunately it's around the same price.

Disclaimer: I lost my sense of smell due to a head injury, so that does muddle my ability to taste things. But I think with beer a sense of smell is less important


We have some legitimately excellent options here in the Australian market. The Heaps Normal XPA is definitely worth a crack.


I swapped my daily beer for Heaps Normal XPA, which I felt was about 80% as good as regular beer. Then after a few months of that I realised I no-longer craved a beer, so swapped to sparkling water.

Now I only drink maybe once a month. It's great. Happy I kicked the mild habit.


I still enjoy one or two beers at the end of the week, but happens fortnightly ish now - for exactly the same reason. I've also gone to drinking sparkling or soda water at home with a squeeze of lemon, completely replaced the soft drinks at the same time. The amount of sugar in the beer was surprising and the low/no alc options really did help move away from them in excess.


> non alcoholic beers taste terrible

Might be a market issue. I grew up along beer drinkers and over the past few years, so many good alcohol free beers have entered the German market, that a lot of them shifted almost fully to alcohol free beers.


Got any recommendations for good German ones? The market in the UK has been improving a lot but I do still think a lot of them taste like socks, I'd be interested in trying some more high-quality German options if I can find them over here (Aldi/Lidl probably my best bet).


I like Störtebeker Atlantic Ale, IPA style beer. Very drinkable. Available in most super markets and Späti's (late night shops). Here in Berlin there's also the Brlo Nakid which is similar in taste.

If you want a pils style beer, Jever Fun is pretty hoppy. Krombacher has a decent 0.0 beer as well. A bit on the sweet side for me but I have that sometimes. I also recall seeing a beer that was labelled as Feinherb at some point that was pretty tasty. The exact name escapes me.

Several of the Bavarian beer hall style helles beers now also come in alcohol free versions. Very drinkable. They taste very similar. Bayreuther is one that you might find in some shops.

Many of the Hefeweizen varieties also exist in alcohol free versions and are pretty drinkable. Most places will have that available.

Not German but some bars now have Guinness 0.0 in cans. Haven't seen that in the supermarket but it's a near drop in replacement for normal Guinness as far as I'm concerned and I tend to order that when I see it available.

I stopped drinking alcohol a few years ago but I still enjoy going out with friends who do drink. Mostly people barely notice what other people drink. And the lack of a hangover after a good night sleep is a nice bonus. Although you can overdo it. I always joke about all of the downsides of drinking beers without any of the upsides.


As mentioned in another comment Störtebeker Atlantik Ale is great and available in a alcohol free version.

I'd also like to add Weihenstephaner Hefeweißbier Alkoholfrei is fantastic: https://www.weihenstephaner.de/en/our-beers/non-alcoholic-wh...

From what I understand Weihenstephaner developed a unique brewing process which results in a great tasting 0% beer with only 15 calories per 100 ml.

I also like their Helles Alkoholfrei: https://www.weihenstephaner.de/en/our-beers/non-alcoholic-or...


Erdinger Alcoholfrei was a low alcohol German "health drink" before it was popular - has been around for about 25 years. It's fairly available in the UK.


This is the best one out of all mentioned in this thread by far


I am not sure about international availability, so your best bet are probably very large breweries.

If you like pilsner, I do enjoy an occasional Kulmbacher Edelherb.

The Augustiner Helles Alkoholfrei is incredibly popular, but hard to come by even here in Bavaria.

Similarly popular and among my favorites is the Bayreuther Hell Alkoholfrei.

That being said, neither of these options is available at Lidl or Aldi in Germany, so I would assume they aren‘t internationally either.


I like "light" Warsteiner 2,5% on a hot day.


I don’t know where you live but here in the UK and in Europe you can find all sorts of beer from 0 to 5% (and more of course), even in local supermarkets or draft in a pub. And yeah the 0% taste bad, but a 0.5 to 3% can be great, I’m sure you could find some online if you’re willing to, search for “table beer”, “small beer” or just low alcohol beer.

And in terms of non alcoholic beer, “lucky saint” tastes great (0.5%) and is very popular in the UK, lots of pub have it on tap.


In the UK it's common to have 3.4% beer/ale (for ABV >= 3.5% the duty is higher) but there are little options between 3.4% and <=0.5% (alcohol free). I find 3.4% to be a good trade-off between the taste and the alcohol content. I do drink Lucky Saint occasionally but find it less pleasant than various 3.4% ales.


So how come there are so many rowdy drunks inside and outside pubs in London? Perhaps they are just drinking more of that 3.4%.

I like the taste of Heineken 0:0. Not the same but pleasant regardless.

Meanwhile, in the States I see more and more 8/9/10% IPAs from major brewers.


My local Morrisons has a few decent 3.4% ales for £1-£1.25, I am a loyal customer.


I'm not a fan of Morrisons, but they do have a great range of booze.


One of the things I miss the most (on a daily basis the most) about the UK is the beer. What you're suggesting just doesn't exist in the USA. Really and truly doesn't.

(Though, as others in this thread point out, NA beers are more common, and better, than they used to be. They're not the same thing, though.)


i am in Paris, and I don't see much variety. Obviously there is so much more choice in big hypermarkets, but I don't go there daily, unlike my local, 30sqm store next my apartment


The French beer scene has improved over the last 10 years but yeah, it's still quite limited in terms of selection. When I was first visiting there really wasn't much at all outside of Belgian beers, though I've since had a few very good beers from Paris and other parts of the north of the country. Usually only finding them in larger markets, though, as you say.

The UK's beer scene is wildly different to the rest of Europe, and not something that we've managed to export very well. Hell, we could even export cask ale (rare outside of the UK) to Paris without it spoiling these days, yet nobody really does. Whether it's due to taste or the awkwardness of casks I don't know, but I do think it would meet with success in Paris if someone did it properly. Not all beer has to be refrigerated and fizzy. We have so many varieties that you just don't get with fizzy keg beer, and much of it notably weaker in alcohol content. Some examples:

Mild at ~2.5% (made from reusing the materials used to make Bitter), Session at ~3.5%, Bitter at ~4%, Best Bitter at ~5% etc. IPAs are the hot thing even over here now but we get notably more variations in those than most places too.

I'd be curious to know from anyone in Germany if they have equivalents to these sorts of categories, as what we get from Germany over here tends to all be about the same strength.

Due to ADHD meds I do now have to drink less, and the best non-alcoholic beer I've found so far is Guinness 0%. I'm not a massive Guinness drinker, it's alright but there are other stouts I prefer, but the 0% version is surprisingly close to "real" Guinness and has none of those sock-y flavours that most non-alcoholic beer has.


It is indeed a completely different scene, which is genuinely interested in variety.

It's a bit of a cliche but you really can split Europe into "beer country/wine country/spirits country". France, Italy, Spain and Germany west of the Rhine are wine country. Munich is clearly beer country. And Germany has focused on perfecting a very narrow set of light beers, if you want diversity of taste that's all in the wines. Similarly you're not going to get Parisians interested in beer diversity when they have French wine to argue about.

(It is possible that climate change will shift this; England is starting to produce a few pretty good wines)

Guinness 0% is fantastic. Unlike a lot of brewers the Guinness company were very keen to retain their standards rather than slop out an inferior product to tick a box.


If it is 30sqm local store, then get to know the owner and ask them to stock it for you.


get a "Stella 0.0" and tell me it tastes terrible.


Stella - the Belgian equivalent to Budweiser.


In Belgium, Stella is fully accepted, contrary to fe "Cristal" or "Maes". Of course, it's no "Jupiler".


lol that stuff is absolutely awful


It is. Actually the best candidates for 0% seems to be the IPA beers as the bitterness adds this little "punch" classic zero alcohol beers seems to suffer from.


In the US market, at least, the quality has improved dramatically over the past few years. Several established breweries now produce alcohol-removed versions of existing beers, with varying degrees of success - but in general my experience is that alcohol-free dark beers work better, the increased maltiness does a better job of hiding what's missing. IPAs and lagers can end up tasting somewhat thin compared to the normal version.

There's a few things I miss about the UK, and one of them is easy availability of beer that's less than 5%. Unfortunately that seems to have been creeping upwards - the shift to craft keg (rather than cask) beer seems to have been accompanied by moving more in the direction of US-style stronger beers. Several breweries do still produce milds that are in the <3% range, but it's increasingly hard to find them, even in pubs that used to be reliable suppliers. It's interesting how cultural this is.


Real ale has plenty of lower alcohol percentage options:

My faves are Harvest Pale 3.8% and Our House 3.4%

I also like mild which is often <=3%

0% Guinness is the only beer I would say that matches the taste of alcohol based beer. The others can be ok, but taste too malty, the flavour is off somehow. Also having 2 or more none alcohol beers seems to also make me feel "hungover" in a way, maybe due to additives.


It might be worth it to check out what the market offers. Here in Germany lots of well known brands have started to cater to the non-alc consumers for the last few years. I like eg. Andechser Hell alkoholfrei. The increased competition resulted in some good nonalc beers from reputable wellknown brands


The US market is having a boom of craft NA beers and many are really good. Athletic, Go Brewing, and Sober Carpenter are my main go tos. Guinness 0.0 scratches an itch, but I find it a little sweet. The NA Corona with a lime slice is almost indistinguishable from the original. Strangely I find the Stella NA very good (I don't normally drink the regular Stella).

If you like sour beers my experience is they are nearly identical to their native counterparts.

I generally find the breweries that focus completely on NA beer better than existing players who are adding NA to their line up.


In the twin cities, one big brewery, Bauhaus, went out of business briefly and got bought and reopened by ABV, a company that specializes in NA, alcohol-adjusted, and THC beverages, https://www.bauhausbrewlabs.com/blog/Blog%20Post%20Title%20O... . Now you can get beer in full strength, session, NA, and THC. It seems like a sign of the times, but I'm happy to have more choices and as I get older I don't feel like drinking the strong IPAs like I used to.


I've started drinking malt beer. I think it's basically pre-ferment beer, so it's non alcoholic and a bit sweet. I like to mix it with Sprite Zero, something like 3 parts malt beer to 2 parts sprite. It's also good on its own.

It's delicious and alcohol free, it does have a lot of calories but mixing it with calorie free soda gets you a bit more bang for your calorie buck so to speak.


Corona zero and Guinness Zero aren't that bad. A Guinness Zero on draft is pretty much the same taste as the regular stuff.


Wow, didnt know Guinness Zero existed. Now that stuff might actually be good 4 you :D


Guiness Zero is my go to for a sipping beer when I'm actually in a pub. I like a pine needles and lemon IPA when it's very cold but they get a bit much when you're having a few over a long evening.


> non alcoholic beers taste terrible

That's a rather broad claim. There is so many different variations non alcoholic beer nowadays.


It used to be true for all non-alcoholic beers in Sweden but it is not true anymore, do it is very possible that all non-alcoholic beers are actually bad where they live. Or they just base their comment on old data.


The non-alcoholic beers have improved a lot in recent years. Even the non-alcoholic Guiness tastes pretty close to normal Guiness.


Others have me ruined that NA beers are pretty decent these days. But I've also taken to literally watering down my beer. I'll pour half a can and fill the other half of the glass with water and ice. Then later do the same with the other half. Still tastes decent, but really cuts down on the alcohol.


I’ve recently been in Spain and the non-alcoholic beer was great. To be fair I can’t remember the last time I’ve had alcoholic beer because of the same reasons many people mentioned already, so maybe it’s just a matter of getting used to it.


I think the trend has been a small (and making shrinking) contingent of alcoholics/"beer enthusiests" that are the backbone of the beer industry, and they always lean towards favoring higher alchohol


Can recommend: Mash Gang, We Can Be Friends, Erdinger 0% and I actually quite enjoy Peroni 0% on a summer day. I’m also told that Guinness 0% is pretty good - but I’m not a big Guinness drinker.


>I’m also told that Guinness 0% is pretty good

I could probably tell it apart from normal Guinness in a blind taste test. But it is pretty good.


My local supermarket sells 3.4% ales for £1 each, it's fantastic.


There are some excellent non-alcoholic ones, but also some terrible ones. Maybe see if you can find a few different brands


Get into radlers and shandys! Even do for yourself at home, go 50/50 beer and lemonade. Very refreshing.


NA guinness tastes the same


I do think it's the best NA beer, also closest to the regular version with alcohol.


coors light


"using facebook", unironically presented as evidence of "technologically literate" is so funny


And yet plenty of businesses languish because they can't do so.


Need 7 more paragraphes telling us that the stones, weren't in fact, chosen from the nearest location, but were chosen from a distant location.

Without ever telling *how" they were moved of course, that would give out too much


Quite easy. They were moved like this:

https://youtu.be/YpNuh-J5IgE


Horses


can it be done? C codebase are obviously missing the lifetime information, type-generic arguments are just void*, in/out arguments aren't explicit... or at least, the information is scattered across the codebase, and might be inconsistent. a "safe rust" might not be even possible


for one, because that's like requiring a particular brand of a tool to be used. That's even ignoring the "required" because usually I can't require that my hide uses a tool unless I, as employer, provide it to him/her


They can require certain “brands” of tools if it’s deemed necessary for some other requirement of the job. In the case of Copilot it’s because Microsoft’s tools already check all the boxes for their enterprise partner requirements and haven’t bothered to do the leg work to get anyone else in-line. It’s completely arbitrary but it’s most likely all legal.


nope, still not buying it. i understand we must live in different jurisdictions, and hère (France) it is explicitly stated that Employer must provide all tools necessary to the work. moreover, the Employee has the explicit right to refuse any request to use his own tools for the job. And finally, any costs for the employee must be reimbursed by the Employer.


America is at-will employment and employers can basically make up whatever rules they want. California has some labour laws with regard to hand tools for tradespeople (and maybe other things I’m not familiar with) but pretty much everywhere else it’s Wild West.

Unless California updated their laws recently either I don’t think coding agents count as “hand tools”.


> America is at-will employment and employers can basically make up whatever rules they want.

this is a bit misleading

at-will deployment and "can basically make up whatever rules" aren't necessary required to go hand in hand, you can have at-will deployment and still proper enforce labor laws by giving appropriate penalties and protection to employees in case of violations which make it non profitable use the "break law if complain fire" route.

But seriously it's more then just bad.

Adding hidden cost to "working" is a hidden pay cut not showing up in payment statistic, that alone should make it illegal.

And it is in combination with "cost traps" a common recipe of modern slavery. While this case isn't modern slavery just a economic collapse (e.g. huge economic collapse where no one can afford to lose the job they have, AI stays expensive but inflation makes salaries go away) to ending up very close to it...

Sure there are reasonable edge cases, like causal personal clothes if there is no dress code or similar. As well as some limited expected private payments for high paying jobs (which you often still can write off from taxes, but(!) for this you need to have to pay enough taxes or it won't work and you have to have enough tax write-off potential left for all the common write-offs etc. Hence why this is only true for high paying jobs or very very small mostly one-off expenses.).

> coding agents count as “hand tools”

they are tools you use (in general) "by hand", to mostly do the non engineering/non creative parts of the job. So even if they don't count as it now, they might very well end up counting as something similar. Just because something is digital doesn't mean you can (or at least should be able to) circumvent regulations. That he EU had to pass a "digital products are products, laws for products apply to them" because lobbyist managed to make digital products non products for many laws is already quite absurd. Similar digital "tools" should count as much as "tools" as physical tools...


i really want to use one on my Linode, wondering if is it possible


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