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much of it can be expressed via this visual which made the rounds a few years ago

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144/photo/1?

the topics have different emphasis than in the US, but the principle remains. immigration, de-industrialization, green politics, erosion of trust based society


The real underlying issue is the economic pressure - much worse in East Germany than in West Germany. People have problems, but the real problems are not immigration or green politics.

IMO they explain it well here:

Inside The Rise of Germany's New Far-Right

https://youtu.be/l2SjWowpynY?si=9P4R6CtrNrXEsYx0


I guess this must be extremely subjective because for 15 years now in my country the far-right has been "on the rise" and all the politicians, and a lot of the media, now only talk about the immigration, the immigration and all the "normal" right-wingers, centrists and even soft left try to compete for being the one who will say the least "politically correct" thing, that is something about how immigration is not compatible with our culture or something. The right-wing party has split and one part is now allied with the far-right party.

My impression is that the overton window has gone further and further to the right so chacun voit midi à sa porte


This is a very obviously biased argument that both sides make about themselves.

The AfD literally published a manifesto of new and notably more conservative policy goals in 2017.

They do not claim to have the political stance of Germany 25 years ago, they themselves say that they are something new (For example, point 1 is an adoption of Swiss-style direct democracy, which is a notable shift to the right).

I encourage you to think much more deeply than "I saw this meme and it resonated with me," because the same is true of the American Tight, despite Elon's claim (Regan, for example, was very famously against Tariffing Canada).


> For example, point 1 is an adoption of Swiss-style direct democracy, which is a notable shift to the right

Since when did direct democracy became a right wing concept?


>Since when did direct democracy became a right wing concept?

It's intended to make Parliament powerless (when you read the document, I'm sure you saw that part), so, I'd say it became a right wing concept when it was proposed by a far-right political party in 2017 to move Germany to the right.

You may be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority


anyone who thinks "woke" is a valid counterargument is not worth listening to.


A rose by any other name etc. The moniker may change once every few years - even A. Occasional Cortex recently agreed that 'Woke 1.0 was craaaazy' [1] - but the beast never loses its stripes. Maybe the next term will be 'Woke 2.0', maybe something else but seeing how as this terminology comes from inside the narrative generator it can not be denied that it describes something real and as such claiming that those who use such terms that have fallen by the wayside '[are] not worth listening to' is the equivalent of loudly saying NA NA NA I DON'T HEAR YOU NA NA NA.

Woke 1.0 was 'crazy' indeed, good that this can now be said. The successor will probably be just as crazy but in some different way. It most likely will be some throwback to classical marxist tropes instead of the intersectional mess which best describes 'Woke 1.0' because younger generations never experienced the reality of the Soviet bloc, never were taught the reality of life under communism in school and as such are easy targets for socialist propaganda, viz. the success of the DSA. This time it will surely work, people, real socialism has never been tried after all...

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/aug/15/aoc-wo...


it's funny because the reference to your quote of her shows it was not a quote of her

we should call that hagbardisms


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