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How is this behind the curve? Seriously


Isn't OPUS much cheaper and generally regarded as more intelligent?


Opus is 2x the price. If it’s more intelligent or not is hard to tell, this model has been out for a day.


Afaict, they are targeting difference user bases, Google being after their existing user base, having lost in the developer ecosystem to the two labs and open weight models.


If you’re going to argue they’re targeting a different user base, then I think you should tell us who they’re targeting.

More specifically, who are they targeting with Argon and why is it behind the Ultra plan? Who is paying $99/month if not developers?


The vast majority of Google's Ai users pay nothing and are not interested in paid plans (yet?), they remain the product.

There is another subset in the Google Workspace for enterprise clients.


> Who is paying $99/month if not developers?

Corporate companies. Bog-standard office workers don't need top-of-the-line Mythos intelligence, just something to add to Google Workspace. I personally doubt developers use Gemini for coding beyond marketing materials.


Not OP but their Cyber model is decent and already used by Wiz (now a Google property) as well as Armadin.


Are you suggesting it’s BETTER than their competitors?

Because if it’s not, and it’s not available to all paying users (Right now, it’s only available to Ultra users), then they are behind the curve if they’re treating it like Fable.

It’s tone deaf.


FWIW, it's available via API to everyone. (I just tested it out via OpenRouter).

Whether it's actually better than OAI/Anthropic offerings, probably not, but if Google has managed to get back to parity, that's good for competition, prices, and increased model performance in the future. Three strong western competitors is better than two.


It's available to Pro users, but not through Antigravity.


I see it is now. I tried all the services 3 hours ago and the only interface to acknowledge its existence at the time was the API interface which told me to upgrade to Ultra.


I would imagine these folks are being treated like gods at their companies. And having access to all the money/fame. It is not surprising they see themselves above all


It’s hard to give openai the benefit of doubt here


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