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Looks like every post is a commit that needs to be approved by someone (they show as “pending"). How can that scale?

Only the first post has to be approved by a moderator (for now), subsequent posts are automatically AI moderated and approved.

How is that financially sustainable?

Doesn’t Iroh rely on relays? If so, is it possible to run my own?

Yes, it's even encouraged. You can either pay for the company behind iroh to host one for you or host your own one.

Yes, we are happy to take over the burden to provide relays and handle the 3am phone call. See https://www.iroh.computer/pricing

But if you are technically proficient enough to run your own infra we are happy too. Our relay is open source just like the rest of iroh, and we even try to make it very easy to run them, no weird hoops to jump through.


Indeed. It akin to an application for a .local TLD.

>It akin to an application for a .local TLD.

it is not, as .local is designated as a special-use domain name and .lan is not.


While you're not wrong, I suspect that .lan sees more real world usage than .local

It may not be an official standard, but it does have some weight as a de-facto standard.

I've tried briefly to try and find some numbers to back that up, but can't find much beyond apple's bonjour vs consumer routers - although I've seen companies with AD domains using .lan as well. (Although, I've also seen companies using 1.0.0.0/8 for their internal addressing...)


I've habitually used .home since 2014 when its ICANN delegation was indefinitely deferred.

it definitely gets used, and i hope that the application is denied, but i also hope this is another wake up call for people that pick unreserved domains.

Wake up to what? The fact ICANN have failed in their governance responsibilities by not encoding a widely used defacto private namespace into the reserved namespace RFC and considering delegating it publicly?

whether you consider this a failure of ICANN or not is completely beside the point.

if you choose to use an unreserved domain, you are choosing to accept the risk of something like this happening. take ownership of your choices. "but other people use it" is not a great defense.


Bear in mind the advice on these things changes over time, and it's possible that the situation in the past may not have been as clear cut.

As an example, at one point in the past (I think in the 90's?), Microsoft recommended using .local for AD domains, whereas now they explicitly recommend against it.


It's a default on OpenWRT and Ubiquiti devices. I don't think consumers should be blamed nor suffer because they didn't know their pricey Ubiquiti router was using a de facto but not officially reserved TLD. you can blame Ubiquiti i guess, but once upon a time there were no reserved TLDs and it was the job of ICANN to deny new ones that had widespread understanding not to be internet routable, so it's not like there's no precedent for Ubiquiti's behavior either.

it would be more defensible of ubiquiti 7 years ago, before the whole .dev situation. not as much anymore

It would be awesome to be able to create these. If author is around, would you consider a creation tool as well?

Yes, I will take a look at this Thanks for the recommendation :D

I love the canvases, and truly would like to have a bit more inside on the process this specific author used to reach the results shown. I have read Surya's "Training AI to Paint with Code" but, what's Alice's technique?


(project creator here) cat reading newspaper meme i need to write a blogpost

until then point your favorite agent at the git history


The idea (what's encouraged) is that's so simple you can run it yourself. If you email me (email on profile), I can create an account for you on mine.


Sorry, I am sure it is the HN effect.


Bans are per server (for what I have seeing). Federated rooms continue to exist if a server drops off, as no server "owns" them.


Relearning the lessons from the old days, I see. This situation is what created the Eris-Free Network.


> Federated rooms continue to exist if a server drops off

That doesn't answer the question.

How are you resolving things like... user name collisions when the servers reconnect?


I am not the owner of the project, I just use it. Federated rooms have no owners, there will be no collisions (they would simply merge). Nicks are tied to their own servers, and hence unique and will not collide.


This has been an issue for as long as IRC itself has existed. There are solutions to resolve such "netsplits" and "netjoins", but they all rely on the servers in the network being trusted and not malicious.

With Parley, where anyone can bring their own instance, and they are not guaranteed to not to be malicious, that could be an interesting issue to solve.


CAP theorem suggests it is not solvable.


This like most federated systems is AP. Cut a federation link and you create two or more different state views.


From the screenshot on the project website, it seems "@serv.er" is part of any remote nickname, so I'm assuming the nicks are in per-server namespaces, which prevents any nick collisions.

Although it must wreak havoc on many IRC clients, since the @ sign has a very specific meaning in the IRC protocol. :)


That’s an old screenshot, which should be redone. We switched to :, so, it is now nick:example.com.


I believe Matrix does solve this, at least to an extent.


That is always a concern, yes. You can block users, and entire instances, that spam.


Parley is a chat network with no centre.

Every person (or team) runs a small instance for their own domain. Instances find each other through DNS and well-known identity documents, exchange signed messages over HTTPS, and present the whole federated network to ordinary IRC clients such as Lurker, Mango, mIRC, WeeChat, Textual, etc., without the need of any plugins.


This is an AI-generated summary of TFA?


It's a copy paste of the readme intro. Don't know why it's left as a comment here


Hacker News marketing skills tell people to leave a context comment on Hacker News. Don't complain about it too much, that is our way of figuring out who is lazy in an obvious way!


When someone makes a submission, the text field becomes a comment when the URL field is not empty. (but sometimes not?) It's a poorly designed form that should be redone.


can any layman user simply use it without running their own instance?


Yes, you will need to know someone running an instance to create an account for you.


So... no? :)


Presumably if the protocol becomes popular you will have public instances that anyone* can sign up to, the same way other federated services work now.

(It's approximately as hard for a layman user to sign up to a Mastodon instance as it is to sign up for X. The fact that most layman users don't do that is a separate issue.)


Yes, you can try it without running your own instance. You will need to use someone else's instance.


If you (top and child commentator) want to try without running your own, please send me an email: david dot collantes at gmail dot com.


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