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That’s roughly the opposite of the development of electric utilities in the US. The IOUs owned dense urban areas and refused to electrify further out. It was only the rise of public municipal utilities that got them to go to the states, implement the regulatory compact, be granted rate of return, etc., and then they began building out more.


That is the historic situation yes. However it doesn't change how things are today. the municipal utilities that remain have lower costs because they don't have the more expensive structures.


For those who don’t know:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_Futures_Act

(which also banned box office receipt futures)

A fun thing is to go on FRED and make a graph with prices from onions and, say, corn to see the differences in volatility.


I looked up onions, lettuce and tomatoes (because burgers), and the volatility actually looks very similar. Am I missing something or looking at the wrong things?

Tomato: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WPU01130217 Onion: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WPU01130216 Lettuce: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WPU01130215


Lettuce and Tomatoes don't keep well, which adds more seasonal variability and reduces the ability of a futures market to smooth prices.

Compare with potatoes, which keep about as well an onions, and are farmed in the same areas. Look at onions and potatoes over a 5-year time span (because the default all-data time span is silly for this). It doesn't give enough control of the Y axis to make the comparison easy - for potatoes it shows me Y=40-320, for a range of 280; for onions it shows me Y=120-440, for a range of 320. This means that potatoes are more "zoomed in" and it's graph will exaggerate volatility relative to onions, but qualitatively, I'd say the potato graph looks smother just the same. This is exactly what economic theory says a futures market should do to the price.


> Lettuce and Tomatoes don't keep well, which adds more seasonal variability

The more durable a produce is, the easier it is to transport over a large area, which will always smoothen price fluctuations. This alone could explain why lettuce and tomatoes have higher volatility than onions, which have higher volatility than potatoes, which have higher volatility than corn and weat.

At least that's the null hypothesis that the hypothetical effect of futures should be compared to.


I assert that onions and potatoes have roughly the same durability and ease of transport.


I know nothing about logistics of the food supply chain and how they preserve food at scale, but at least at home I'd say that potatoes are close to twice as durable as onions.


None of the products you’ve chosen have a substantial futures market, which is why the person you responded to chose corn to make their point.


The weather affects all crops


But isn’t the point that futures trading reduces volatility from things like weather?


“Absorbs” volatility might be more accurate.


I will resist the urge to inquire about the difference between reducing and absorbing.


I won't. What's the difference here between resisting and absorbing volatility?


Not a financial expert, but i think reduce implies it goes away, and absorb implies it’s still there but someone is taking it up.

Like reducing the amount of water on the floor would be turning off the tap. Absorbing the amount of water on the floor is when you mop it up.


Or to bring it back to the original context... Reducing volatility would be reducing the impact of bad weather on your harvest, absorbing volatility is finding someone to cover your losses. (presumably by giving up some profits on the good years. It's like a financial low pass filter)


That’s exactly what I meant. I was only replying to the question as posed.


Volatility is a natural consequence of weather, blight, etc., etc.

To reduce volatility you would need to actually stabilize the supply of onions.

What futures do is allow traders to shift risk from the future to the present. By pricing that risk, it's possible for people who depend on onions to pay a little more now in exchange for a guarantee about the future.

It's not magically going to make onions less volatile (although high risk prices can spur investment which might) but it can reduce disruptions caused by volatility.

The classic example of this is futures on jet fuel which allow airlines to weather random wars in the middle east, OPEC shenanigans, etc. Ticket prices are higher this way, but the existential threat of being forced to cancel a bunch of flights is gone.


Oh you’re talking supply volatility, where most of us are talking price volatility.


As long as demand remains inelastic, the two are the same.

If there is a supply shortage prices will rise; no amount of futures trading can create resources out of thin air.


The point is making money.


For speculators yes. But for a farmer and the consumer of the goods they would rather lock in a margin for their goods and run their business than risk guessing what the price will be at harvest time or consumption time. It’s called hedging.


How many farmers do you imagine are in this thread?

And consumers neither lock in margins nor run a business because consumers buy at retail…

Ok charitably, maybe you use “consumer” in a special sense of businesses that consume raw materials such as owners of onion ring factories. In those cases, future prices (as opposed futures prices) are typically negotiated directly into contracts with producers of those commodities…and how many of those are in this thread?

In the vast majority of cases, futures are traded speculatively and physical delivery of goods and chattles is an extreme exception.


many users of derivatives willingly lose money on them because the purpose of these contracts is to transfer risk to those willing to hold it.


Money is the thing at risk.


People are willing to lose a small but predictable amount of money to avoid occasionally and unpredictably losing a massive amount of money. The former is a loss they can plan for and absorb. The latter might kill their business.

Traders are often happy to take the other side of that trade because they can trade against many counterparties, collect a small premium from each one, and try to ensure their counterparties won’t all fail in a correlated way.


Yes, it's not about onions.


The thing you’re missing:

Would you rather have net profits of 20, -10, 15, -5, -10, 25, -5 year over year, or profits of 4, 4, 4, 5, 4, 5, 5?


In what sense is “profits” not referring to money?


Did you reply to the wrong comment? I said nothing of the sort.

Your hung up on money, everyone is trying to explain that the exact same money is better when it is predictable versus erratic.


the exact same money

Yes, it is about the money.


You may have liabilities or income that exist outside of financial markets e.g. if I have 500t of wheat due to be harvested I might want to hedge enough to guarantee I can pay my staff - ive locked in the price of wheat, I might make less money as a result but my risk is lower.


Wheat futures trading rarely involves any actual wheat.

And rarely is done by farmers.


Is insurance risking your money?


Yes of course. I’ve paid for car insurance for 30+ years and have never made a single claim. So far, for me, it’s a bad risk.

I’ll keep paying though.


Futures are a mechanism to transfer risk from one party to another, more or less.


To reduce net risk for both parties, at the expense of also reducing chances of windfalls.

To the farmer, futures mean no risk of having to sell when prices are low. To the buyer, futures mean no risk of having to buy when prices are high.

The farmer also gives up the chance of selling when prices are high, and the buyer gives up the chance of buying when prices are low.

The transfers go both ways, which is the magic.


You’re leaving out the speculators who usually end up assuming the risk of both the producer and buyer.


And the cost of transportation.


Interesting. This would be more sensible if it was time-bound. Since the intention was clearly "stop a bad thing someone is doing right now" and not "make this field illegal forever"


So this is genuine free market activism?


What will the kids think up next?


This has to have been the inspiration for Milo Minderbinder cornering the cotton market in Catch-22, right?


The box office receipts ban is hilarious.

I suppose that prevents Kalshi gambling on box office duds?


I wonder if anyone read the copy on this page or if it mostly came out of an LLM.

The "Restoring the shoreline" and Rebuilding the marshlands" paragraphs below the images are almost exactly the same. The first sentence is exactly the same.


Maybe, but there's some very specific legal language that cpra and the state requires everyone use in referring to some of these issues, and at least part of the land SpaceX is acquiring is involved in coastal restoration lawsuits or deep water horizon settlements or both.

As an engineer working on cpra projects in the past, I've wanted to reword a variety things but was forced to use their legal language.

It's mostly a good thing as it keeps things properly defined in a political context that are meant to have specific technical meanings (like marsh, beach, rebuild vs restore).


I did briefly consider something along those lines, but shoreline and marshlands are materially different, plus they've already changed the text.


For me that makes it more likely to be human-generated. Seems like a "rushing person juggling revs and copy-pasting" mistake.

FWIW, the writing style and tone match pre-LLM SpaceX writing. Of course you can prompt an LLM to mimic style, but somehow the regression-to-average blandness shines through. That can be hard to distinguish from bog standard corporate speak though.


Maybe the site developer saw your comment. They're different now.



Mecha-hitler is reading the comments here and responding accordingly


I saw the first article on thick art. This was linked within that article.

I enjoyed reading both, then popped over to see if this one had ever been submitted to HN. It hadn't, so I did. Figured that if people liked the first one, they might like this one as well.


The map is ok, but mostly I'm interested in the number of map apps people are cranking out with AI. The design elements pretty clearly mark them as such (and it's even more obvious once you poke around a bit). I love maps, so I get it, they tend to hook people, and the relative density of information can be very high.

I work in the electricity space (and of course we have a map[0]), and it has been wild to see the number of "I was a PM at a B2B SaaS/AI company and now I'm here to solve the grid with this vibe-coded tool", which inevitably involves a map. Seems like an inflection point was hit sometime late last year where first SMEs could make little apps they couldn't before, and then it expanded further into people who truly don't know a space but the AI can make it look like they do to other people who also don't, and the cycle continues.

[0] https://www.gridstatus.io/map?zoom=4.45¢er=-95.70000,40....


I would not bet on AI. I think this map is older.


Same author as https://thecastlemap.com featured here a few weeks ago.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48994178


I've never seen someone bother to put em dashes in monospaced code comments (except out of spite of people saying their projects look like AI) :D.


I was wondering because I don't know why it should be considered AI, but whois tells me the domain was registered yesterday?



*utility-scale solar, not solar overall


Utility scale, solar installs, and will be total solar by end of year.

Texas accounts for 40% of new solar capacity installed per year at this point.

It does lag behind an inefficient and expensive rooftop solar, and has no State mandate for homeowners to build it.

That said, I think this is enough to show that Texas doesn't hate solar, so there's probably a different reason for selecting gas to support the data center. If I were to Hazard I guess, it would be stability and demand curve


The solution to pollution is dilution was a philosophy prior to modern environmental protection laws, which were a reaction to the fact that we were absolutely destroying all kinds of ecosystems, even when we thought we were just diluting toxins down to nothing.


This stuff is barely pollution. Everything there is a natural part of the environment and biological processes. Literally the only issue here is the concentration of it. Dumping it in the ocean is an ideal course of action. Failing that it should be dumped out in the wilderness, not in bags, but just on the ground. It may have a short-term change in the local environment, but long term it's fertilizer.

The risk of dumping it in the ocean is that some asshole will see that happening and think "gosh, i should slip my barrels of hazardous toxic waste in with that dumping activity."


> ”It may have a short-term change in the local environment, but long term it's fertilizer.”

The fish would make for great fertilizer, but the salt would not. High salt concentrations will kill many plants and probably would stick around in the soil for a long time.


The ocean seems to contain a great deal of salt though.


Absolutely. So the ideal solution would be to return it to whence it came, but presumably that’s easier said than done if they’re going to all this trouble to bury it in a plastic sarcophagus instead.


Or someone gets paid a lot more for the plastic sarcophagus.


There's not enough salt to sterilize the land where dumped. The salt in fish sauce preparation may be as high as 20% initially but by the time it's done, after having been drained and refilled multiple times, it's 2-4%. To sterilize land requires 5-10kg/m^2 of salt applied repeatedly.


I’m not talking about sterilizing land. Just that salt is not a desirable ingredient in fertilizer. Most plants will not thrive in salty soil, even if it doesn’t kill them.


The scientists who have been testing it since 2016 have looked at the evidence and they disagree with you. CBC had to do an access to information request for the results - it took four years. Here is their coverage:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/nl-st-m...


> "All fish placed in the effluent died within 15 minutes,"

The suggestion was to dilute it while slowly releasing it into the ocean. The quote from the report tells us nothing useful.


That article doesn't have any extra information that wasn't in the original poster on this thread.

As fas as everybody here knows, it's rotten fish, salt and vinegar.


They could mix it with woodchips and compost it and it would be an excellent soil amendment full of trace marine minerals.


Mix it with auto shredder fluff and burn it. I bet it won't smell any worse than that stuff usually does.


oh, a stinkier compost? sign me up!


> Literally the only issue here is the concentration of it.

And the fact that there is 900k litres of it.


That just sounds like it's a knee jerk reaction from regulators. For decades their reaction to pollution was "yeah just dump it in the ocean", then we figured out it was bad. So now the pendulum swung the other way where we can't dump anything in the ocean, even if it's probably benign, because if it turns out to be not benign, it'll super bad on you. "You did what? Approved dumping pollutants in the ocean? Haven't you learned anything from us dumping radioactive super-mustard gas in the oceans decades ago?" Better to play it safe. After all, you're not picking up the tab.


This sludge was actually tested and analyzed- it’s not compatible with marine life and would in fact cause an ecological disaster. It’s why they’re mixing it with peat moss and also why they’re doing the work now - the factory itself has been battered by waves and the vats are in danger of being washed into the sea.


>it’s not compatible with marine life and would in fact cause an ecological disaster

And this can't be solved by dilution?


Do you really think the super basic idea of diluting it wasn't considered by anyone involved? Why are you so hung up on this?


Someone bounced from "let's dump 40 vats at once" to "we can't allow even a slow leak". No, I don't think we're seeing rigorous scientific competence.


It's not like we humans have any aversion to killing individual wildlife, as long as the ecosystem is okay.


Is fish sauce a toxin?


It's the dosage that makes the poison. If you dumped it all in the ocean in a single spot then yes, it would probably kill the local ecosystem.


Yeah sure I’m deep ocean it would kills the local ecosystem


Which is something humans do regularly e.g. every time a house is built


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