This is a niche in which I do t exactly think speed of development and new bling is particularly important.

Either thy drop encryption and just become Google Suite competitor, or they stick to the original differentiator. Looks like they want both and the customers for each are different targets.

As someone commented:

> The only reason I'm with Proton is security. If I wanted new features, and AI in my email I'd just stay with Gmail. They objectively do it better.

Same here and I'm looking to move at the end of my subscription.

Problem with legacy code is that with time some of the bugs have become features without users even knowing it or remembering it.

Yeah you can not deploy this to customers with the hardware already in production if it mass fixes bugs and improves behavior because those are likely breaking changes.

They have to modernize the code while keeping all weird edge case behaviour. I think this can be done. And I suspect that is probably the request.

The issue is deciding what is weird edge case behavior and what are bugs. It can be a fine line.

Of course there's a law for it!

Thanks!

Every bug is someone else's workflow: https://xkcd.com/1172/

Also, extensive commenting inside codebases is useful documentation, incl. these kinds of incidents. Good code documents the how, but not why. Comments shall also include the "why" where applicable.

I have same experience with Fable, it's absolutely ridiculous. It's not one, it's like 10 transgressions an hour, doing really stupid stuff, hallucinating, ignoring commands, gold-fish memory.

They're nerfing them real hard.

I personally think we'd be better off without summer time but with more timezones in EU.

I also assumed Apple had something up their sleeves that would make sense to everyone once shown.

Meanwhile they just added a touchscreen. No new hinge. No new UI. Not even a Pen support.

WTF are they doing?

Similar feelings about the Duo. Very little innovation beyond what is offered by Androids. In fact, I feel like there are many foldable Android phones that offer better hardware (Motorola Razr Fold comes to mind). I say this as someone who is a huge Apple Fanboy and got a Duo on release day.

Various android phones have had better specs and more innovative hardware than Apple for like 15 years. It took them years to finally turn around to big screens, but following Android on that didn't hurt Apple in the long run.

Same position: I still very much appreciate this but seriously feel something is being lost here and the brand is slowly chipping away.

Apparently the hinge is different - it results in less wobble when interacting via touch.

> WTF are they doing?

Presumably adding a feature that doesn't cost them very much or otherwise negatively affect the product, but which some users might like.

But there's a cost involved if you go against one of your most defended stances and offer nothing to back up that change of heart.

It's a negative on the brand because that sort of consistency is something that made Apple.

What percentage of Apple's customers remember Steve Jobs saying that thing in 2011? I think most of them are here in this thread.

And there was an answer given by John Ternus:

"The Mac is first and foremost an indirect input device, built around the trackpad and keyboard. But I think there's times when it's comfortable and handy to have touch.

We needed to get to a point where adding touch didn't make the product lesser in any way. It didn't make it heavier. It didn't make it thicker. That came together with the OLED screen, the best display we've ever put into a Mac. All of these things, and, oh yeah, it has touch as well."

That basically cuts to the core of it, it has touch because the Tandem OLEDs they can source, already have the touch built in. It's not really any more complex than that.

Things aren't decided by customers only. There are journalists, YouTubers and whole class of influencers who can decided something is shite on a whim. If enough people do so, the tide may change faster then you'd think. It happened to companies with cult following before. It's literally happening to Nike as we speak.

Apple has had more flops than hits in recent years. The Vision Pro, the Glass interface, the Duo hinge flaw that will almost certainly end up with a recall. The Apple Watch always listening, now the bangle touch display with nothing innovative to back it up?

They don't deliver like they used to. I was their fanboy for 10 years and they did deliver the quality and innovation consistently, I just don't see it anymore. The only thing they have going is the CPU.

True, they should have never made an iPhone with a screen more than 4”, never released the iPad mini, and never shipped a stylus for the iPad because those are all things Steve said were bad.

Did you notice how it's you who's reducing it to "What Jobs said" strawman to avoid addressing the actual arguments?

As far as I can tell your only argument against adding a touchscreen is that Apple has previously taken the stance that they would not do it, so that I what I was responding to.

But of course yes, Apple has vaguely and generally declined and their products are flops. Unlike the good old days of the first versions of Mac OSX, the G4 Cube, the iPod HiFi, the flaking-paint Titanium Powerbook, the bendy iPhone 6, or of course Ping, the revolutionary music social network.

I think this is a shift for apple, they're not one to include 'gimmicks'

I think it's interesting that people are assigning the term 'gimmick' to the touchscreen, which does have some functional uses, but not to the glowing Apple logo.

But based on the Ad, they did not show own usage and it doesn't look like the hinge is 180. If that's correct, Apple went absolutely against its own beliefs for UX/UI.

100%, all these product changes are so crazymaking.

With this many exploits and, presumably, actors having access to their own, unpublished 0-days, doesn't it make sense to at least run the browser in isolated environment nowadays? I insist on installing everything from the package repository, but Flatpak/sandboxing may make more sense for a browser that is the biggest attack surface on a day-to-day device.

I think they refer to low-tier Wildcat which, indeed, is more efficient than Apple's CPU in Neo, which they typically get compared against.

Nope! I’m talking about the 358H compared to the M5. Multiple similar Windows laptops outlast the M5 MacBook Pro and Air.

Framework 13 Pro, Lenovo ThinkPad X9 15p Aura Edition, for example.

Have you considered battery in them?

Yes, the Framework 13 Pro battery is almost identically sized to the MacBook Pro 14.

The Thinkpad X9 15p Aura Edition has a slightly larger ~80Whr battery.

The battery size is also not a consumer-facing spec, they only care about size/weight/performance. If Lenovo can fit a bigger battery into their chassis and it's roughly the same exterior size/weight as a MacBook Pro, this isn't some kind of win for Apple where we can declare their victory because their chip is more power efficient. The user cares about the size/weight/performance/battery life.

As of the M5, MacBook systems are not on the top of those charts. I suspect that the M6 may help put Apple back on top, but the overarching point is that Panther Lake is highly competitive and that Intel is now with in a year of Apple in terms of mainstream laptop chips.

I.e., it's not like 2020 where an M1 MacBook Air is such a compelling choice because it's faster than an i9 Intel and gets double the battery life with no fan.

Kitty can do that now, though.