Jesus Christ, so much "stuff" crammed into so little space. What a nightmare of a website.

Is it faster? Thats the only thing that matters for me anymore. Models are probably as good as they ever need to be for coding, but please make them faster, please.

Doesn't matter to Bob, who lives across the road from the datacenter and has an artificial sun outside his bedroom 24/7 and wants to burn the thing to the ground.

Ya but the same would be true no matter what kind of industrial facility was across the street.

I live very near to two industrial facilities, but they deal with agricultural products instead of high-value GPU farms. They've got some lights outside and they're not bothersome.

So you're saying the poor people sleeping with the shades on the lights? Cue up some Steely Dan.

The only relevant difference between datacenters and agriculture is that we need one to survive as a species, the other is actively being used for malicious crimes against humanity.

> agriculture is that we need one to survive as a species

true for some agriculture, but growing the corn for ethanol is stupid

Do you want to explain it? I come from a country that has no farming subsidies and it is a competitive free market (as taught by the US economists like Milton Friedman).

> Do you understand why the government subsidies farming?

To buy votes

For the most part our agriculture usage in the US is very wasteful. We grow corn to run cars and alfalfa to sell to China. All with heavily subsided water. We do not need this to survive as a species.

We could get what we need to survive on a fourth of the farmland if we kicked the addiction to meat, arguably a more malicious crime against animals and the planet

> We could get what we need to survive on a fourth of the farmland if we kicked the addiction to meat

100%

> arguably a more malicious crime against animals and the planet

Personally disagree, it entirely depends on your moral and ethical alignment though, of course. Generative AI will be used to divide and conquer us at a pace never seen before, it will destroy the internet/digital realm by burying it in generated content.

The future will judge us harshly for what we've done to the animals and the environment.

Who decides what is or isn't a crime? Are you a Fruitarianist for making such claims?

We don't need to be fatalists to agree that most people, when confronted with the realities of factory farming and the ecological consequences of our diet, would describe them as abject moral failures

Many people have a severe misunderstanding as to the purpose of morality, after all. They also cannot answer who decides what is right and what is wrong.

The "purpose" of morality, insofar as any naturally occuring thing can be said to have a purpose, can be assumed to be a group survival mechanism - a way for genes to cooperate with copies of themselves in other individuals.

However, somewhat paradoxically, effective morality demands that you ignore its instrumental value. To be a useful engine of cooperation, it must be trustable - people need to be able to rely on you to do the "moral" thing even if it's inconvenient. Much like the irrational violence accompanying the emotion of 'anger' is seemingly maladaptive in the individual level, yet the threat of violent rage is game theoretically powerful (and is undermined if perceived to calculated rather than "genuine emotion"), so morality also demands that you prove yourself to be a "true believer" by doing irrational things that incur a personal cost.

tl;dr the "purpose of morality" is scientifically interesting but you are not permitted to entertain the question as it pertains to yourself and still call yourself moral.

Correct, the purpose of morality is to enable cooperation among groups of genetically close humans to improve their survival chances.

Now what does this purpose of morality mean in regards to factory farming?

Huh? Not eating meat is not the same thing as Fruitarianism.

Plenty of delicious (if prepared properly) and healthier plant-protein alternatives to meat. See: Tofu, Seitan, Lentils, Chickpeas, Tempeh, Edamame, TVP, Lupins, Hemp seeds, Pumpkin seeds, Peanuts, Nutritional yeast, Oats, Quinoa

Strange phrasing. Who a person is is irrelevant to the value of their argument, one way or another.

>other is actively being used for malicious crimes against humanity.

Yawn... every time people make claims like this the less and less I care to hear their concerns.

Modern agriculture uses quite a bit of data.

This is true for code as well. Code is the specification, writing it in English and having a machine predict the details will only give you a worse result.

Welcome to the new internet. It was fun whilst it lasted. Next evolution will likely be closed, invite only forums.

They already exists. You haven’t been invited? Hmmmmm

Eternal September 2, I suppose.

This comment section is very astroturfed.

Same probably goes for slot machines if you strip them of all the bright, flashy colours and comforting sounds and make it a black metal box, with only a number display.

Its almost like... it was inherently designed to be as addictive as possible?

I hope the point is bigger than a nit to pick, but a plain slot machine is still bad. Social media used to be good or at least interesting in a good way. Maybe it can be again.

Genuinely curious, what is the benefit of doing this over just programming it yourself? It sounds to me like this is just an extra step that will grant you less control?

When programming a feature, you are simultaneously doing at least four things: 1. Implementing. 2. Building highly detailed mental models. 3. Learning and expanding your skillset. 4. Quality control and scope limiting.

And this process can be iterative and dynamic. Writing massive, super detailed specs that you then hand off to a undeterministic model feels like doing step one and three, while skipping two and four, which you then have to do after. What is the benefit? The speed up, in my opinion, comes if you skip step two and four, but then your product WILL be worse. Feels like I am going crazy?

Programming was never the bottleneck for software dev?

Except it is very easy to verifiy whether or not someone has used a nuclear bomb, where as LLM's can be used in complete secrecy. MAD only works if you can verify that the other part is not using it.