There's no "good" or "bad" about it. Everyone is just wading through mountains of slop (man-made or ai made) and need a way to filter what's actually worth investing time and attention to. Effort, or percieved effort at least, is a good enough measure for most people. If 99% of ai generated "art" is low-effort garbage, why would people give the benefit of the doubt to the other 1%? What would they gain from it?
There's an obsession here with replying with half baked analogies that I really don't see the point of. Is this an attempt at a thought-terminating-cliché?
1. People mostly hang their own photos.
2. People mostly go to museums because they expect a certain level of quality (i.e. they're offloading the curation to... curators)
3. Photography is it's own medium, generative ai is a "tool". Apple to oranges comparison.
There's nothing about the analogy that works, what is your point here?
> Is this an attempt at a thought-terminating-cliché?
No it’s a counter example. Calling a point half baked is closer to a thought terminating cliche.
> 1. People mostly hang their own photos.
So then that’s an answer to the question: they would give 1% of ai art the benefit of the doubt despite 99% being trash if they made it themselves.
Also I don’t accept the premise unless we are talking about family photos. Otherwise I’ve never been in a house where they’ve hanged their own photography on the wall despite being in many houses with photography on the wall.
> People mostly go to museums because they expect a certain level of quality (i.e. they're offloading the curation to... curators)
Says nothing about whether or not ai could be curated. Moreover people go to museums to see many things, including to be surprised, informed, disgusted, or to just see things they’ve never seen before.
Also curators curate on other factors than quality, or we might say “quality” doesn’t always mean the art satisfies conventional or critical tastes. No reason ai art can’t fall into that category.
> Photography is it's own medium, generative ai is a "tool".
I don’t see why ai can’t be a medium, can you explain why the output of a camera is a medium but the output of ai is a tool?
> Thanks for explaining the another person's opinion using your own, entirely-different, opinion.
Not that different, just formulated in a tamer way.
> I'm not. What am I doing wrong? Should I be on TikTok more? LinkedIn?
You're not? You don't have to wade through mountains of grifters and "hot-takes" in your social media of choice? Or through a hundred garbage sites gaming SEO every time you need to search for something online? Or through the never ending catalogue of low effort drama in streaming sites?
If so I'm sure you realize yours is not the average experience on the internet.
> need a way to filter what's actually worth investing time and attention to
nothing on social media is worth investing time and attention to. including hacker news, yet here i am so i guess my experience is not that different from the average experience, it's just not because of ai
> social media of choice
tiktok, x, linkedin, etc. have been garbage as long as they have existed. if ai slop made tiktok worse i would welcome that as a good thing for society.
> search for something online
just search on claude. the water is warm here on the dark side
> low effort drama in streaming sites
these are front and center because people like them. they have filters for acclaimed movies that aren't front and center because people don't want to watch There Will Be Blood on a random Tuesday after work. this seems like a reach
Some people cannot grasp how administrations appear to fight cultivation instead of promoting it, and given the unsightly appearance of many administrators, many people got to nurture the idea that administrations would want "masses of ignorant voters" to preserve their status as "elected".
A bit concerning how some people in this thread will bend over backwards to defend mass surveillance. Not surprising given who owns the board, but still.
A lot of techies have lived in China and seen how that country has stronger social harmony than the West and is gradually outpacing it, so mass surveillance clearly isn't an obstacle to the general prosperity.
The problem with mass surveillance rollouts in the West is that they are incomplete: the cameras might go up, but not all infractions caught on camera are actually punished. Meanwhile, in China vandals and other disruptive people do get traced back to where they live and apprehended. I think that if such a vigorous policy were applied in other countries, even on a contrarian forum like this one you wouldn't see much opposition to the cameras.
I get that impression, because opposition to surveillance cameras here is very often accompanied by a statement along the lines of "and society doesn't even see any benefit from it".
Yes, the problems are trust and consistency of enforcement. We have neither in the US and I’m not sure how we would ever get there.
Many East Asian countries try to write their laws so that niche cases are covered, and enforcement is tighter. In the West we leave endless loopholes in overbroad laws so that (a) everyone is probably breaking some law frequently and (b) the only people who frequently face consequences are politically disfavored groups, “troublemakers”, or those who harm elites. It’s all very Soviet.
Man unless you have different definition of so called social harmony, you can't be more wrong. Literally everyone is talking about 社会戾气 on Chinese social media and there are a big bunch of people seeking extreme means.
> Meanwhile, in China vandals and other disruptive people do get traced back to where they live and apprehended.
Nope. You think Chinese police force have unlimited amount manpower? We say the first lesson young people learn upon entering society is calling the police, 报警是社会第一课.
Yeah, there is a suspicious amount of down-voting of anti-surveillance comments in here. I'd say there's about a 99% chance Flock is paying astroturfers.
I still am opposed to anything capable of mass surveillance because of how easily it is abused. But living in Seattle, my car has been broken into 4 times this summer alone (with nothing taken, because we leave nothing there), thiefs dug up the side of my house to steel copper wires, on my block someone dumped gasoline all over a tree and lit it on fire just because, people went around the neighborhood smashing front flower pots, many of the local businesses have had their windows smashed by robbers twice this year. Last year someone broke into my garage using a lock pick and stole a bunch of tools and my car license plate (and the cops actually caught him because he was driving in the hov lane with my reported-stolen license plate on lol).
My wife is at the point where she would probably like a flock camera on our street. I’m at the point where I wouldn’t mind a patrol car circling the area, like a damn police state. What else would you suggest people support when they are harassed by crime this much?
(Edit to expand): instead of just complaining I’ll meta-point. People will vote for things like flock cameras when society is unsafe, or they feel unsafe. Right now, in the USA, lots of places are visibly unsafe and people deal with actual threats from bad actors much more often than they deal with police overreach. If you want people to vote against mass surveillance then you need to support policy that makes mass surveillance unnecessary, and you need to do it now instead of “in a future communist utopia there will be no crime” kind of policy (I use this because it’s what I see a lot of in Seattle). Weak on crime is anti-urban, weak on crime is pro police state.
> I wouldn’t mind a patrol car circling the area, like a damn police state.
Very strange that Americans now view a patrolling policeman as a "police state". After all, a strolling constabulary (which would drive in the US since no one walks) was part of even the 19th-century progressive "policing by consent" model that is still well regarded today.
This is much easier fixed by judges actually locking up career criminals but they're so "empathetic" they let lunatics run freely and terrorize communities.
> What else would you suggest proper support when they are harassed by crime this much?
How would a flock camera deter a thief from breaking into your garage? It's a false sense of security. I had a guy break into two tenant spaces with a screwdriver with cameras pointed all over the place. He just wore a surgical mask and hood while keeping his head down. Nothing could ID him. I had all the locks upgraded and one tenant installed an alarm system. That's all we can do.
A better question to ask is why is there so much blatant and rampant crime? Have you attended any community meetings with local representatives and voiced concerns? Have you spoke to your neighbors about these incidents (do you know your neighbors?) Maybe you live in an area who's government takes some silly light handed approach to policing, justice and reform. You either deal with it or move.
“You either deal with it or move” do you think installing flock cameras isn’t an attempt to deal with it? If you go to council meetings and demand action, installing a bunch of flock cameras and increasing surveillance is a response.
I say this as someone who agrees, cameras don’t work much. But my point is that people had better support some alternative then, instead of blocking every other attempt to improve the situation.
> do you think installing flock cameras isn’t an attempt to deal with it?
It's not dealing with it because its lazy passive action where citizens shrug responsibility off to a 3rd party who only cares about making money and not the people on the other end. Nothing actually happens because cameras won't deter anything and only increase the ability for the government to abuse people.
Dealing with it means learning from the past and taking action. If the lock on your garage was picked then harden the garage lock. If your car was broken into then maybe it's safer in the garage. Buy your own motion sensing cameras with remote viewing. Install security bars or security windows and doors. Motion sensing lights all over. You either sit around and cry for someone else to magically fix the crime problem or defend your possessions.
> You’re right, I shouldn’t expect laws and enforcement.
And from the original description it certainly sounds like you are living in an area where there is no enforcement. That is clearly a failure of you local municipality of which you are a part of. Now with that in mind, again, tell me how flock cameras are going to fix a seemingly non-functional government and police department?
> What a load of bullshit victim blaming.
If your local government isn't doing anything then you need to step up and protect yourself in its absence. Sorry if reality sucks.
This whole story you tell is the same for lots of places. It's the tell of a failing state who cannot provide for their people.
Hard/bad/no jobs? People will steal. And the thefts may cost $3000 to replace, but $300 in theft goods.
And even if you have a good job, inflation and US citizens getting fucked over by trump tariffs and inflation makes every year that much harder.
And when you KNOW the folks at the top (either party) are cheating, have always cheated, and will continue to do so - why the hell should I follow the law? It can be tax cheating, or copyright infringement, cutting down Flock (YC17) scameras, or more.
And when you KNOW you don't have any upward mobility and are stuck socioeconomically, well, it leads to what you see.
If we look at China, they have a whole different set of problems. The simpletons here will just bemoan 'Communist China' and are stuck in a McCarthyism mindset.
Seattle is one of the wealthiest metros in the country, with expansive social programs. It's the last place where you can try and blame crime on deprivation.
Ugh, gosh really? I looked at one of the videos of the... eh excentric developer of the distro where he was presenting 4.0 and I was wondering about that retro neon design of background images he seemed to adore so much. I was wondering why someone would still think this Fashwave design to be cool. It's been what? 10 years when this trope peaked?
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