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Mostly it's a QA issue. For new features it's just much easier to ignore older OSs

I really doubt that. Unless Apple has completely hosed their QA budget.

Honestly, this "app" is at best an interactive picture template with text and metadata.

The real question is, why is something this simple not just part of Apple's website?


Do you think that’s gonna be cheaper? Trying to make sure it works correctly in every single browser? Every time they update?

For a company of Apple's size? Yeah it's the difference between pocket change and pocket change.

If browsers changed that much so suddenly, a lot more people would have big problems.


I'd settle for Chrome. I know Amazon, despite being "frupid" in so many ways, takes the time to address it. They had a whole framework too: submit url, get screenshot across multiple devices and sizes.

I some very real way this has been true for a very long time. Does anyone know how a AMD Ryzen processor works? I mean does anyone understand in any detail how it works from machine code down to the transistors?

Does anyone single person understand what’s happening when compiling a large C++ code base? Meaning, can anyone track the basket cast C++ language constructs down to the Clang IR to the optimized machine instructions? From there can any one person follow those machine instructions all the way through to the actual registers etc to actually running the code?


> Before approving construction, I would want communities of humans to understand why the design works and what justifies confidence in its safety. I would hope that we all would.

Why would mathematicians be the best at this or even able to contribute? Engineers and physicist seem like a much better choice. Mathematicians tend to not bother with messy things like whats physically possible, or human consequences etc.


Agreed, it's a very strange example. What percentage of tenured academic mathematics researchers or PhD students work on power plant related things? I know there are applied mathematicians who model things like structural integrity of buildings and prove theorems about this and there is deep math in radio communication and electric grid design etc. (graph theory, coding theory etc), but this is just a small part of math.


It looked further along than I expected. I remember hearing that they were having a hell of a time making it a modern os with proper multitasking etc.


I am so grateful that I can play with Copland. I was the ultimate fan boy back it the day. My first computer was an Apple ][ and we had the first Macintosh at home. All the mac fans were desperate to get a reentrant multithreaded system that didn’t let a rogue application take down the system. That and virtual memory were desperately needed. The UI is what made it all worth it, so clean and comprehensible. You always knew what was where and what felt like complete mastery of the system. MacOSX was a welcome change but it was never as comfortable or friendly or even as responsive as the original. The original mac mouse latency is still better and any system in common use today.


It's crazy that an emulated version of a famously-buggy alpha OS running in a browser is more responsive than the host OS, but there you go. These Copland windows open at lightning speed in comparison to Golden Gate.


> That and virtual memory were desperately needed

Didn't system 7 have virtual memory, at least for systems with a MMU? I seem to recall some applications that wouldn't run if it was enabled and also wouldn't run if you didn't have enough available ram, but I don't think I understood how to actually close applications on Mac when I ran into these... I certainly didn't know how to selectively run only the extensions needed either.... sometimes I managed to get whatever game to run on the macs in the middle school computer lab, but mostly I didn't, and had to spend the lunch period looking through cd-rom encylopedias instead.


Mac OS 7 “Virtual Memory” was just the swap file. Fundamentally classic Mac OS had a flat memory layout with special hooks defined that did not allow for virtual memory as more commonly defined. Multiprocessing came in asymmetric and symmetric forms but really wasn’t terribly useful until 8.5/8.6 and later but by that time Mac OS X was about to show up which solved all these issues.


Yes I should have been more precise about the virtual memory. There was something like it that could swap to disk (in os 8 i think). Anyone remember RAMDoubler? It wasn't anything like the UNIX VM that came with MacOSX.


The secret to extreme long life is bad record keeping.


Yeah, I agree that the "Blue Zone" theory is mostly explained by bad record keeping. Okinawa is one of the poorest areas of Japan, but was deemed a Blue Zone, despite that wealth is nearly always positively correlated with longevity within similar cultures. Low and behold Okinawa had shitty record keeping and tons of incentives for relatives to commit pension fraud.


This is dumb. If you go to any Japanese graveyard in Hawaii (where family graves have prefecture of origin) you will find the preponderance of centenarians are from okinawan families. There is no incentive for pension fraud for someone born in the us (or emigrated to the us in their younger years) and died in the us in the 1980s-> early 20XXs


Sure, but there would have still been the same poor record keeping around birth dates and the same incentives for people in a poor area 60 years ago to enter the workforce early.


Bad record keeping in Hawaii in 1900-1910++? Bad record keeping and misregistering a 8 year old as 18 upon immigration to the territory of Hawaii? What are you proposing here?

I'm looking at a photograph I have with a 1915-2015 and in same frame an immediately adjacent plot for a distinct family which has 1913-2015, both of these deceased almost certainly born in the territory of Hawaii (one site has two 1880s born -- that's probably the immigrants).

Supposing there were bad records and incentives to fudge that persisted into the territory of Hawaii, why would those incentives only exist for Okinawan immigrants in Japan versus immigrants from any other prefecture, including poor ones like those in the south of Honshu or Kyushu!?



If it's all just fraud, why are 88% of them women? Is there any reason fraudsters would overwhelmingly claim for women?


To be 100 years or older you would have been born in 1926 or before. Meaning you turned 18 in 1944 or before. Maybe something happened in Japan that killed of a large percentage of young adult males around that time?


Well, exactly, but this lends credence to the numbers being somewhat accurate. If there were almost as many male centenarians then it could probably be attributed to bad record keeping.


Also women tends to live longer, thus even if the records were for example 5 years wrong, there would still be more 95 years old women than men.


Really? How? Show me a country that taxes wealth and is prosperous. Taxing unrealized gains results in owing tax on money you don’t have and makes starting a funded company impossible.


and on the other hand we have trillionaires who spend their wealth on fascist party propaganda and censorship


Logo was created by by Seymour Papert. I highly recommend his book Mindstorms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindstorms_(book) It was written in 1980 but could have mostly been written today. All the same issues with teachers misunderstandings and fear of math and technology and refusal to change to meet the challenges of the age.


The first line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_(programming_language) is "Logo is an educational programming language, designed in 1967 by Wally Feurzeig, Seymour Papert, and Cynthia Solomon." so you are correct but it is nice to mention his co-inventors. I agree about the book. I had to borrow it from a friend, read it quickly and give it back in 1983 so my memories of it are a bit fuzzy.


One of my favorite books is Turtles, Termites, and Traffic Jams (https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262680936/turtles-termites-and-...), basically the thesis of one of his students (and current MIT Media Lab professor) Mitchel Resnick. It's about the educational value of modeling distributed systems with StarLogo.


I believe it is legally available as a PDF — as far as I remember via the ACM?

Very important book.


I read that book earlier this year. It made me rethink how we approach problem solving in team environments. I now aspire for code I write to be able to be played with as a child would play with a turtle. I find this lack of being able to play is what makes it hard for software developers to really understand each other’s work.

There’s also a section in that book that briefly talks about agentic modeling in the same way people use LLM’s today. I find it fascinating that this idea was already that old at that time.


Do you think the state of mathophobia and the systems driving has improved since his book? Or worsened? Stayed the same?


Unfortunately this does not work at nation scale. We are not insects. Tribes fail at levels over a few hundred and that scale only works because of blood ties. Communism has failed to produce good outcomes every time it's been tried. Even coops aren't competitive with traditional corporations.


Agreed, the human biological system likely needs radical augmentation in order to actually realize such a system

The median cortical volume fails beyond dunbars number, so some kind of compensation is needed


You don’t have to have one. My first LAN didn’t. I had no idea what I was doing and picked 17.0.0.0 addresses for local ones and I couldn’t connect to Apples website.


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