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Yes. Allowing a naive agent to fix bugs can quickly become pollutive.

I suspect both old codebases and new ones that have a very intentional architecture are both dangerous to let loose.

The agent doing the fixing must have not only an incredible map of the project and how it is put together, but the ability to reach into annotated examples in the past and refer to them as it goes about a fix.

I’m seeing that frontier models will not follow intended patterns or know when to deviate if their primary charge is “fix this bug.”

It is perhaps a better idea to have agents’ primary job be “maintain this codebase” and one way that they do it is to fix bugs, and “oh by the way here is a bug.”


What part of Claude offers the best team collaboration features in your mind?

Many of the stories are good. The library also selects books that offer some stories reflecting diverse cultures.

Growing up in the 80s everything is white folks or animals but almost always it is about a boy or boys.

I think the baby books are still board books. Cordoroy’s Shapes is part of what I remember about our first’s earliest years. Reading it over and over. We even did a first birthday theme for it. My mom made triangle tarts.

After that they are floppy picture books. I suppose at this scale is is probably both economical and reflects some of the material involved.

That is just fine, though it’s just not the same as holding a hardcover.

Our kids don’t care about that, though. It’s more about the time and talking about the pictures and how well we ham it up.


Hamming it up is an overlooked parental contribution to reading. Lay it on thick! Do all the voices, act like you don’t know what’s on the next page, be shocked and surprised. Kids love it.

Even in the 70s when I was 8 or older I seem to remember plenty of series with girl protagonists like Nancy Drew or the Bobbsey Twins or The Dana Girls or Trixie Belden or even SF like Telzey Amberdon or even The Rolling Stones or Podkayne of Mars.

And, of course, there was the Oz books.


This reads like a good portion of books I say need to be grabbed when I see them at sales for our family library. I know some people will disagree, but I feel as though general children's and young adult aimed literature has been harder to find that is both clean and well written.

It is interesting to me that a good story, poorly written, can be souch harder to get though than a well written boring story that just flows well.


I took this as a demonstration of ownage on the latest release, versus an attempt to show some jailbreak-only feature.

The evidence of hack is the feature.


Sounds interesting. Can you provide some examples of stuff you've used it on?

I was using it in an air gapped environment vs a local inference engine running a qwen-coder-next. Installtion of harnesses on the machine and other things were ruled out because of security constraints.

There i used it to analyze an old visual basic application which creates custom pdf files. it worked surprisingly well. it took some rounds but in the end it got all requirements and scaffolded me a skeleton for a python rewrite as a web-application. Then i worked from there with it to get a prototype.


> AI discovering that aliens exist?

I wonder if this would turn even the most stalwart opponents around.

I could see discussion about such an announcement focusing on exactly what qualifies as an "alien."


> all sorts of insane tasks that would have taken infinitely longer and been unbelievably painful on my own

Your use case here is beyond mine, but I have used custom tooling to handle contractor bid process workflows for projects at our home.

AI applied to products will allow people to not only consider but actively move on changes that did not seem reasonably possible before.


I love that use case - absolutely agreed this will enable a lot more movement on things - which, on its own, seems like a good thing economically. Kind of like building roads or railroad tracks grows the world economically through enabling more logistical movement, AI handling the glue between the logistics of anything enabling more of everything seems like it can cause some kind of baseline economic/productivity growth on that lever alone

I’m curious about this too, although I would somewhat hesitate to rely on that, except as a contributing point of information.

PHP2SHELL, in particular, made me expand my weekly security review to include my external network resources.

The natural conclusion for this seems to be realtime monitoring CVE and pre-CVE vulnerability indications in exposed stacks.


Apple’s Photos ecosystem is privacy oriented and as a result some (now) baseline features require the use of local models.

The Foundation models keep a surprisingly decent set of data available for fast filtering by a local LLM.

I’ve found a slower, second pass, is needed by Qwen to clean it up. (I am running on the new Mac Mini m5 pro 64gb.)

I’ve run my own tests using a date range, a short description of a red cedar planter box build I did last year, and a set of known correct photos.

There is some cool stuff you can do without sending your family’s pics up to any of the frontier model providers.


I've found some strange guardrails with the Foundation models. Like blocking describing of any photo with a single woman in it. It does this relatively consistently but with a different subset every time. Like out of 10 photos in the set, it's skips 6 then the next run, it skips 3. Have you seen guardrail issues like this?

I switched to Gemma 4 instead.


same i am using new embeddinggemma. seems far more capable than foundation models.


I am going to assume that means "a women by herself" and not that it can magically detect her marital status before refusing to continue (I suppose it could be laser-focused on wedding rings...)


No. Apple’s Photos ecosystem uploads all Photos effectively unencrypted to Apple in a way that is readable by Apple, allowing Apple to do server-side analysis of all content. This content is also provided to US or Chinese federal authorities without due process or warrants.

Nothing about iCloud Photos is private.


With Advanced Data Protection enabled (it's not available globally but it is in the US), Photos is E2EE.


Even with ADP on, it uploads the unique hashes of the PLAINTEXT of every photo to Apple, so they know who had what unique files, when, and who had them next, and when, etc. You can’t receive or transmit an original Winnie The Pooh meme between two phones with ADP on without Apple and the FBI knowing who had it first and when the second person received it.

Also insofar as ADP is off by default the whole system can NOT be said to be “privacy oriented”, which was the claim I was refuting.

Apple, for the most part, does not care about the privacy of their users. ADP would not be built today, and it will probably eventually be quietly removed (like it was in the UK), because ~nobody uses it.


The UK removal of E2E was anything but quietly removed. Unless your definition of "quiet" included the cover of the YT, the WSJ, and assorted other world wide papers.


> The UK removal of E2E was anything but quietly removed.

I assume customers were notified?


Yes


I don't want any of these features and yet they've been forced upon me and are now getting in the way of me actually using my computer how I want. Games and heavy applications slow down and stutter because of "AI" background processes, even with App Tamer, my machine runs too hot to even touch when just idling. Compared to when I got my M2 in '23 and thought, "This is the fastest and snappiest machine I've ever used", my experience with an M5 and the latest macOS version is nothing short of an anti-consumer hellscape.


Interesting, this has not been my experience at all. I have an M5 machine and I'm not even aware of what AI features have been added, and it's streets ahead of my old M1 Pro in speed.


peep the comment I just made to the adjacent commenter, that has been my experience. I basically have to run my fans at full speed all day while working now in order to type on my computer (when I'm not using my magic keyboard). It is like a huge problem, not even just a small one but like something that is affecting me negatively every single day, increasingly making me want to break this machine in half and disappear into the woods.


The M1 used to be adequate in speed. Then Apple kept adding always-on cloud daemons that run even if you don’t use iCloud.


My Macs run cool and silently. I've never observed a background "AI" process consuming resources.


It's not just AI processes. But things like mediaanalysisd, duetexpertd, etc. even the freaking menu bar agent, all regularly pound my computer both when idling and when in use.

I recently installed App Tamer which is helping a bit, but it doesn't allow me to tame everything. I just checked now and duetexpertd was trying to use nearly two full cores. I have all iCloud integrations turned off, I do not use iCloud at all, and I do not have an iPhone, so I am flabbergasted that this iCloud desktop-phone syncing process runs at such high core usage in the background with extreme regularity. Proof: https://imgur.com/VkBh9bi

Unfortunately, this does nothing for services such as WindowServer which now often takes up 50-100% of a core just on its own.

I have reinstalled and upgraded to the latest version. This MacBook is only a few months old.

While typing this message and literally just having open Codex with one running task that is not doing anything substantial, and Firefox, with no high CPU usage from any tab, my laptop got so hot that I had to use another installed program, Stats, to manually bump up the fan since macOS also has absolutely garbage native system fan controls.

I have fibromyalgia and seem to be sensitive to hot keys; my Thinkpad regularly getting to hot to touch with even light usage is EXACTLY why I went and bought a MacBook one morning in '23. One morning I touched my keyboard and realized I was tired of singeing the nerves on my fingertips and having them hurt for hours. So now in '26, finding myself in the same exact position but with a much more expensive computer, I feel like I am living in a corporate hellscape nightmare.

One thing I have noticed is all of my cores can sit idle except a single one and that will still heat up the machine a lot. If the hardware is designed as such, the software MUST be designed to work around this and not blast a core for 10 minutes straight every time one of a dozen or two misbehaving system processes wants to complete a background task. If the software is not designed for this, the hardware is incomplete and faulty. This would be true if it was shipped as firmware; software doesn't get a free pass here.

But now Pages and Numbers recommend document titles for me, so.... worth it?


Daemons like duetexpertd should be running at a low QoS if they're doing background work and shouldn't be capable of interrupting an app. So you've found a bug. You can report it with Feedback Assistant if you want.


I already have encountered dozens upon dozens of threads, dating back nearly a decade, complaining about duetexpertd. Even if it's meant to do background work, when it starts taking multiple entire cores to do this work, it is categorically not a background service.

Personally I have seen the situation get massively worse since I entered the macOS ecosystem in '23. My machine is running hot right now on flat surface with a nearly 0 user-side load. It's a soup of system processes each taking 15-200% of my cores. I used to not have to mess with the fans at all. Now, I have to keep them on literally full blast via third-party software just to comfortably use my laptop even while simply browsing the web (and I have JS turned off by default).

So I feel silly even considering engaging the Feedback Assistant. My demands are for the ability to categorically disable these services. I do not use Time Machine at all, why is the backup service slamming my machine? I do not need any AI-enabled media features. I don't need document title suggestions. I don't need LLM-powered autocorrect at the cost of heat and performance degradation. I don't need Spotlight indexing. At all. I want it to be a calculator and app launch bar. Literally nothing else. I despise user filesystem indexers as a rule and do not require them to use my machine effectively. I do not use iCloud in ANY capacity, nor Siri. So why are duetexpertd and Siri constantly obliterating my cores and causing sudden performance degradation even while in Gaming mode? I have plenty of free space, so it's not a thrashing issue, either.

My feedback would be that literally half of these services are completely unnecessary to me and yet I cannot fully disable or even configure them. I know this feedback will be completely ignored by Apple, because they are in the business of dictating to me what to expect from my computer and not the other way around.


Now appstoreagent is taking up 95% CPU! What! The! Fuck! Why is this a daemon at all? Apps, user or system, should not be updating silently in the background, and if the App Store is not explicitly open, there is nothing I need from it. The problem isn't just that this daemon is blasting one of my cores; the problem is Apple's perverse design philosophy which allows such a daemon to exist in the first place.


Well, first step I'd recommend not looking. There is someone in the world whose job it is to look at this. You're doing their job for free! [0]

As for turning things off, it's a bad idea to sell a product you haven't tested, and it's also a bad idea to add settings that randomly break stuff because users will forget they changed those settings. So it's difficult.

https://limi.net/checkboxes

[0] you can also become that person: https://careers.apple.com/en-us/details/200687840-0836/softw...


> I recently installed App Tamer

Plus one for this tool. I've been using it for about eight months or so. Useful for keeping Backblaze and other daemons from taking over when they're supposed to be invisible.

> Unfortunately, this does nothing for services such as WindowServer which now often takes up 50-100% of a core just on its own.

WindowServer can be a real dog (Finder, too, if opening lots of windows with videos that can be previewed in QuickLook). Closing all of the open windows is inconvenient, but it solves the issue until they get built up again and stay open for an extended period of time. I hope they address this in the future; we'll see how a new CEO prioritizes software quality. I'm the most hopeful that I've been in five or more years given the change in leadership. Doesn't mean it'll happen.

> I have fibromyalgia and seem to be sensitive to hot keys; my Thinkpad regularly getting to hot to touch with even light usage is EXACTLY why I went and bought a MacBook one morning in '23.

That shouldn't happen on a machine built in 2023. Take it to an Apple Store (or third-party) and see if a repair tech agrees. I repaired laptops that overheated when I had that role. There was a debacle about thermal paste a decade and a half ago (maybe longer). If it's under AppleCare, you might be able to get it fixed at no extra charge. If not, I'm sorry that it'll cost money, but Apple offers a flat-rate repair for laptops. Maybe they'll say it's fine and it'll be frustrating, but it's worth exploring.


We will see, Ternus was previously senior VP of hardware engineering so my money has been on it getting worse. I'm excited for Gravity Linux though.

I appreciate your suggestion. I'm curious if the machines you repaired then had aluminum unibodies? My understanding is that if my chassis heats up quickly, then the thermal coupling is good, since the unibodies act as a heat sink. Certainly, blasting the fans at 100% typically makes it cold enough to use after just a couple minutes unless I'm actively pelting my cores. Very impressive cooling system. Unfortunately the default curves are terrible and I have to use third-party software to control the fans, but they do work well. Anytime a Rosetta application is running I usually have to blast the fans as well; Thunderbird alone makes the computer too warm to comfortably use. Thankfully, the benevolent overlords at Apple have decided to cut Rosetta support for 28.

The problem is these background services each taking up 50-200% CPU, and it being enough of them that at least one seems to usually be misbehaving. That means the machine is just running hot a lot more often during casual use. My M2 is under Apple Care but I plan to transition it to Asahi or Gravity soon and just live with the lack of proper SEP support on it for a year or two, and see if that clears up the thermal issues, since it was fine until I upgraded to 26.

The M5 is under Apple Care and I do plan to get around to taking it in. It's a daily driver for work so it's been difficult making time and I had some misplaced hope that Apple would correct this as 27 matured.


this is not my experience at all. I wonder if one of your tweaks is causing the software to get into a bad state. Likely worth reporting to Apple even if it feels like it's going into a void.


Which tweaks? This is stock macOS 27 on a stock machine, with of course my development stack on top. I have already tried reinstalling the OS. Besides that, everything else has been configured appropriately in system settings and profiles using Ansible, so that I know exactly what configuration state my machine is in. There's nothing weird I am doing to the system processes other than now using App Tamer to prevent the processes from continuing to use multiple cores while I'm trying to use my machine.

I do feel like my complaints go to the void, and honestly I have seen the kind of responses people get on the Apple support forums and it gives me the same ick that Microsoft's does. And lately I'm just going to get someone's canned, patronizing LLM-generated resume-building response. My only hope out of this mess is Gravity Linux catching up and adding full SEP and thunderbolt support. Once that happens, I'm gone.

I do wonder about the prevalence of my experience vs yours. I can quickly find hundreds of threads across various platforms which confirm my experiences. From what I have been able to ascertain, my experience is increasingly common if not more common than yours. Hard to tell.


You said you were running App Tamer, and I presumed it was doing something unusual, however looking into it, it appears to be using public APIs, so it shouldn't be causing issues.

There's a lot of Macs out there. I would be surprised if that's the common experience for users, however, I fully admit that my sample size is small.

And I totally hear you on the frustration for reports these days. I set my expectations to be that it's a tally mark in some database somewhere with the hope that enough tally marks means a human looks at it, but it's so disheartening when you've spent such a large amount of money on something.


Well this is a software issue, all of the Macs out there run the same operating system, the same software. This can't an issue of a defective Mac. I also have an M2 which is giving me the same issues.

I am right now using my M5, on low power mode on a flat surface and it's almost too hot to type on. I have Codex open, just idling, Firefox and Logseq.

All of the offending processes at the top of activity manager are currently system processes: duetexpertd, mediaanalysisd, MenuBarAgent, WindowServer, Spotlight Engine, Time Machine, etc. A lot of these deal with caches, files, indexes. I suspect the root problem is a shared internal philosophy which regards the owner of the machine as a second-class citizen to the system.

It is bewildering given that I do not want the majority of "features" this tangled mess is providing. Issues such as bad caches, misbehaving files or directories, etc. are likely not the culprit since I experience this on fresh OS installs across two MacBooks. In the sense that if it is those issues, it's a system issue which needs addressing, and not PEBCAK. I have Siri disabled, Time Machine off, iCloud off, all iPhone integrations I can adjust are off, etc. Yet these processes increasingly dominate my computer.

I do appreciate you engaging with me on this and I hope I haven't come across as confrontational.


> Well this is a software issue,

> You don't know that for sure.

> all of the Macs out there run the same operating system,

Wrong. Lots of Mac users skipped the Liquid Glass OSes. I was one until I bought an M5 that came with it. In fact, I was two versions behind on my M1 because the one before Tahoe also offered nothing that I wanted.

> the same software.

This referring to third-party software (my interpretation) is also wrong. People have wildly different setups, at least among us nerds.

> This can't an issue of a defective Mac.

Again, you don't know that. But your comment later on about two models having said issue is concerning. That said, there's a high likelihood that you run the same software on each.

> I am right now using my M5, on low power mode on a flat surface and it's almost too hot to type on.

If that's the case, I begin to suspect that the physical sensitivity that you mentioned in a different comment is the source. If that's the case, I'm empathetic cause it'd really suck to have that reaction. I can only make my M1 hot enough to noticeably warm up (or get hot) when slamming the CPU / GPU. I would hate for it to feel that way to me during normal use and you have my genuine sympathy if that's your experience on a machine running at normal levels. And if that's it, then get an external kbd and mouse. Not an ideal solution, but it sounds like the best option. Not portable. I know. But I'm looking for solutions here and there may be some compromise needed.


> Wrong. Lots of Mac users skipped the Liquid Glass OSes.

I said the same operating system, not the same version of that operating system. Please make sure you're correctly reading my comment before criticizing it.

> This referring to third-party software (my interpretation) is also wrong. People have wildly different setups, at least among us nerds.

Your interpretation is wrong, I am talking about system software, this entire time I've been explicit that this is an Apple daemon and system software issue.

> Again, you don't know that. But your comment later on about two models having said issue is concerning.

Correct, I don't know anything at all 100%. What I do know is I have two laptops worth $10k between them which both have a ton of issues that others online have corroborated and which seem to be tied to 26 and 27 especially. And that these issues all trace back to several Apple daemons. I also am well aware of what 26 and 27 introduced, and can connect the dots. My theory is a solid theory until proven otherwise, but sure, if you want to be smart, literally anything is possible.

> That said, there's a high likelihood that you run the same software on each.

I have already stated in this thread that I have accounted for this extremely obvious possibility while debugging, and assuming I'm an idiot who has not considered this already is patronizing and unhelpful.

> If that's the case, I begin to suspect that the physical sensitivity that you mentioned in a different comment is the source

I hope you think I am capable of reading temperature gauges and differentiating between heat and any additional painful sensation on top before opening my mouth about this issue on a public forum. I also have a partner who I have asked to touch my machine plenty of times to gauge her reaction. I'm not saying these machines get mildly warm. I am saying they get hot.

> I can only make my M1 hot enough to noticeably warm up (or get hot) when slamming the CPU / GPU

Yes, and if you read my comments, you would know that my complaint is that this is exactly what multiple system processes are doing. You would also have seen that I already mentioned I use external peripherals but that I am also often on the go. It is hilarious to suggest that the compromise needs to come from my end when my extremely expensive workstation cannot even idle without sometimes getting warm or hot.


Have you tried not fucking about with all the processes? All my Mac’s run fine and I haven’t fucked with their settings. You’ve fucked with your settings and they all run fucked. “it’s a fresh install”. No you just acknowledged it’s a fresh install that you have immediately put in a very non default state.


I already mentioned I've wiped the OS and I said I recently installed App Tamer to deal with the ongoing problem. Recently. So yes, I have in fact tried not fucking about with all the processes.

> You’ve fucked with your settings and they all run fucked

No, I think what happened is you lack adequate reading comprehension and would rather not interpret comments in good faith and decided to jump the gun and chastise a fictional version of myself.

> No you just acknowledged it’s a fresh install that you have immediately put in a very non default state

No. I shouldn't need to explicitly spell this out. And if you're not sure, you can ask instead of coming in hot with off-base assumptions and attitude. You can rest assured that I know what I'm fucking doing, man. I know how to isolate behavior, eliminate possibilities and debug systems, it is literally my profession. Assume a lot less, please.

When I say I wiped my system, it obviously means to anyone competent that I observed my system after wiping it and before modifying anything substantial. You literally have no idea what my configuration is. What is "fucked with your settings" supposed to even mean? They are settings, my man. They are meant to be set. I know what each one does, and how it affects my system. My system is largely stock other than the user-level applications and environments I manage for work. If changing the theme or disabling iCloud/Siri is causing these problems then I'm going to throw my machine out the window and find a different profession. Come on, man.


I just want to give you props for how reasonably and reservedly you replied to this person. When I read their comment I just about put my fist through my monitor in sympathetic rage.


Ha, I still maybe got a bit too snarky. But it doesn't feel undeserved, their comment was totally out of left field.


> I know what each one does, and how it affects my system.

That is a bold claim for someone complaining that their system doesn’t work. Look, I’m not apologizing for macOS but it does seem that they test the happy path these days and you either use it as they give it to you or it runs like ass. Like if you want a computer without Siri and without iCloud etc then get a Linux box.

There are people who are qualified to fuck about with their computer and there are people who aren’t and how you tell the difference is after they fucked about with it they don’t fucking complain about it not working. (Because either it’s working or they understand that they fucked it up and they are choosing the particular form of the fucked-upness because they got some benefit).


You are the worst kind of corporate apologist. You don't sound qualified to have this conversation at all. You're highly emotional and talk like a fucking idiot. Buzz off.


Holy hell, shut up. It was clearly stated that the “fucking with” of the computer happened after and because of the “fucked up” state of the computer. Your hypothesis is ruled out by the laws of causality and the arrow of time, and moreover if we violate all logic to assume your hypothesis is true, you are still wrong because if it was not fucked, he wouldn’t have fucked with it.

But somehow you are possessed of such inexhaustible and unwarranted confidence that you have not even noticed your claim is both nonsense and impossible, and furthermore you feel justified in serving this impossible nonsense with a side of condescension!

This is such an abject failure of reason and decorum that the only course of action to positively contribute that I can suggest to you is to not contribute at all, i.e., shut up.


I assume you’ve never done technical support. The customers who think they know what they’re doing fuck things up so much worse than those that don’t. They don’t listen and they do so much more damage. They know they’re right and they are so entitled to what they think should work. They’ll tell you what they did and the logs or outcome or reproduction will prove otherwise. The loudest ones are always the ones who fucked it up the most - it’s just defensiveness.


You assume incorrectly. Furthermore, your description of tech support is wrong, so much so that I half-suspect it is you who has never done technical support. I mean, come on, one of the mantras of every tech support division I’ve worked in has been some variant of “believe the user”. What you are describing is pretty much the very first attitude you learn is simply unhelpful and ineffective, apart from also being aggravating for the customer.


You are projecting so much, friend. And assuming even more. You literally sound unqualified. I work on computers for a living. The amount of contempt and arrogance you're displaying is nothing short of sad.


Always use an external keyboard, much better for ergonomics also.


Agreed, great advice! I have RSI, lifelong arthritis/gout and other issues so I have to take ergonomics seriously. Laptop stand, external monitor, mechanical and split keyboards and a vertical mouse. But I also work from home and try to move around throughout the day instead of sitting in one spot, and am often on the go, so I find myself having to use the laptop keyboard often.


Huh, I hadn't seen App Tamer before, that's quite a neat bit of kit. St. Clair does serious work...


I'm glad I found it. Jettison looks like a nice tool as well. It's working great so far, just does what I need it to do. Fits in nicely with Stats, which I use for fan control and monitoring power consumption. I also found https://github.com/Digital-Shane/OpenTamer but figured App Tamer was still the more mature option.


I’m on an M1 workout these issues. How are you isolating them to be AI related?


medianalysisd for example, which frequently pummels 1-2 cores of my machine for long stretches of time, runs local on-device models to analyze the media on your machine.


You know, that brings something to mind that I haven't seen mentioned (so far). If you wiped the machine, it has to rebuild all that "knowledge". Apple announced that they'd rebuild the Spotlight index with an update to 26 so that people upgrading to 27 could use the new AI features immediately. Maybe the timing rules this out, but keep in mind that the device could be running processes that will eventually expire / run only on new content. Could that be a factor?

I know a new phone or Mac bangs hard on indexing even pre-foundation models. I haven't set up a new device with 27, so I don't know how much that might have increased.


I wiped the machine weeks ago, not recently, and I wiped it while debugging the issue, which existed prior to wiping it. I was having these issues on Tahoe on my M5 (came with it, unfortunately), but not Sequoia on my M2 (occasionally things would spike but it always ran cool when idling or doing my normal work). The issues got even worse on Golden Gate. Upgraded my M2 to test and it started exhibiting the same problems.

I also have as much indexing turned off on Spotlight as I can, and that is another issue. Spotlight seems to disrespect my settings and indexes/displays more than it should. Seems like an open, unaddressed bug. I've assumed this is related to the Spotlight-specific CPU usage issues I have but it doesn't explain the others.


Do business accounts on FB provide user activity data, such as checkout completion, user acquisition funnels, or other useful labeling of web behavior?

Because the scrapes become more interesting once combined with such information.


You have to set up a Meta Pixel and include it into all your webpages for that. Then these events become visible in the Meta Events Manager.


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