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Anyone want to spill what their buyout offer was?

Someone posted the terms on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoft/comments/1xg0c5o/microsof...

> 1–2 weeks’ pay per semester of tenure, based on level; six months of fully covered COBRA (remaining 12 months paid by you) and two vesting events in February and May.

> L65-L67 get 4w of pay per year of service, while L64 and below get 2w per year. I’ve been with MS for 10 years, so I qualify for the max payout of 39w.

> Eligibility this time is up to L70, not sure what the package is for L68-70.


looks like their normal layoff package

They probably not allowed, because of NDA

nondisclosure of compensation package and disparagement clauses are usually on the contracts as well. People don't want to tip off the H1B guy he makes 40% less than the dude standing next to him. =3

> nondisclosure of compensation package and disparagement clauses are usually on the contracts as well.

If your comp package has a non-disclosure clause it's illegal. You cannot be asked not to discuss salary in the US.

> People don't want to tip off

That's why it's illegal to be prevented from discussing salary. Discuss your coworkers - you might be the one being underpaid.


ymmv, things like employee at-will contracts are illegal in my area, technically unenforceable, and yet everyone still signs the form.

Fun times =3


YMMV = Your milage is controlled by law, and cannot vary.

You can sign broken contract freely - it's unenforceable, so you can sign whatever paper HR hands to you, and only when you're retaliated against do you need to care. Which coincidentally is when you stop needing to be cooperative anyways.

Don't "YMMV" your way out of laws that protect you.


Some contract clause meanings have physical location dependence on where they are signed. That is why one should always consult local legal representation as well. =3

Still, there is no regional or federal law that can prevent someone talking about their wages in the US.

We have this thing called freedom of speech that the courts take pretty seriously (usually).

The whole don't discuss how much you get paid, because its poor etiquette is an anti-worker old wives tale created by HR people last century. Its a complete myth, but most jobs Ive worked at there's always someone who is extermely afraid to discuss the topic out of fear of breaking a non-existent rule. The psyops worked.


The US NLRA at one time excluded several categories of workers like Managers etc. I don't think there was any sort of intentional deception other than the tired old game of bidding down labor costs.

ymmv, as living in an ivory tower means I may be unaware of current US rules.

>We have this thing called freedom of speech

That may be an old wives tale, as corporate money is defined as speech now. =3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC


This fake news won’t die.

I was making over market rate on H1B. The petition process forces the employer to pay market rate or above.

Also the transfer petition is very easy and it usually takes 2-4 weeks. You can argue that changing jobs is higher friction for H1B workers, but if you are offered more salary elsewhere but decide to stay, well, that’s kind of on you, not the H1B process.


"study of H-1B wages shows up to a 30% discount for H-1Bs in certain occupations and an average of 16% discount for H-1Bs compared to American workers similarly situated." ( 2026, https://iaproject.org/commentary/new-analysis-says-h-1b-work... )

Perhaps the people I knew were just unlucky =3


> Another key point is that H-1B employees rarely change jobs, since their visa is tied to a specific employer.

That statement is fake news. And not sure why they have to lie if all this data already backs up their claim. Oh wait, if it wasn’t for this BS claim we would question the market forces and not buy their BS…

I changed my job 3 times in 2 years on an H1B. Standard paperwork. In fact, the last one was during the company I worked for was being acquired so I had 2 petitions at the same time. Didn’t lift a finger for it. Well, other than signing the papers sent over to me.

I can get behind the claim that H1B workers negotiate worse because they are new to the country and possibly unaware of the market forces etc. And they don’t have the unemployment benefits to fall back to - even though they pay for it the same as everyone.

Oh, they also pay Social Security. And then leave. Just so we can enjoy it.


Indeed, forced charity is just theft with favorable public opinion. =3

EA bought Bioware 19 years ago. Are you saying this was their strategy for two decades?

cmon man, dont let facts get in the way of a narrative. just let gamers whine in peace

Good bait


Because I like being productive and earning money


If you enjoy learning about the history of labor and free time, I highly recommend the book Free Time by Gary Cross.


If you enjoyed "4000 Weeks" historical analysis of labor I invite you to check out "Free Time" by Gary Cross. It expands on it greatly, taking it through the industrial age. Relevant to your comment Cross makes the case that another reason work was not done in excess was there were not many luxury goods to purchase. Only the extreme elites could afford what little there were. There was no real return on selling more of your time for money.


Here is the original blog post, in case anyone is curious about the 'good path' https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/earth/na...

> Ex: Help students visualize the past instead of just reading about it. Teachers can show their classroom a historic site and type, “Render a hyper-realistic view of what these Pompeii ruins looked like in 78 A.D.” The modern-day ruins will instantly transform into a bustling, colorful street scene from the Roman Empire.


There are a metric boatload of these visualizations created to accompany history texts etc.

AI for image generation is great but I’m struggling to figure out why you would ever use this if it’s confined to satellite imagery.


Google is gasping hard for any meaningul AI use


This is all so fucking stupid.


Managers all have AI psychosis right now and the only way to get by is going along with their nonsense.


The bubble needs to burst already. Everyone so braindead that they actually build and ship a product like this fucking garbage needs to be out on the street.

Like, read that fucking prompt again. If that doesn't make you want to stick forks in your eyes, you're deep, deep in the psychosis.


Yes, at some point the world needs to accept that these tools are very good, to a limit, for specific human augmentation uses (coding, text manipulation) and stop pretending the TAM is "replace all white collar work across the globe".


That's not good enough for investors. Right now, either something is worthless or it is literally the most influential invention in history that must succeed. Even if/when the AI industry suffers a setback, the trend of investors becoming more psychotic will continue. Every additional dollar that they need to extract for infinite growth is harder to get than the previous, so we'll likely see more financial Hail Marys in the future that people will desperately load their money into - maybe the next big thing is what will finally give us more growth again!


What a persistently low interest rate does to an economy. (It completely destroys it via this process.)


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