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The solution you suggest is necessary sounds absolutely horrible and very anti human.

Well, it does. Which is the problem. We essentially have three choices: one , we walk the knife edge which is our current-day thinking, where we hope that we somehow enable some magical thing--in the future, always in the future--that solves climate change without making life even a little worse for anybody. Two, we do nothing and adapt to climate change however it comes. Three: we do something unpleasant. Four is "go and make colonies in space" but for most folk that's the same as three.

I mean, the most likely outcome is that we vaporize 80% of humanity in a nuclear war that lasts a few minutes, and then global temperatures end up cooler for a decade thanks to nuclear winter. I guess that falls under "we do something unpleasant", but it's unpleasant in the sense of being life-ending for a majority of humanity and then civilization-destroying for the remainder.

Is it more human to barrel forward filled with greed into extinction? I guess so, sadly

With the way the world is nowadays, maybe a fascist hellhole really is more human to the average idiot.

The following come from beef, chicken, fish, eggs, and you don’t get from plants: Vitamin B12, EPA and DHA omega-3, Vitamin D3, Creatine, Taurine, Carnosine, retinol.

Plant provide, but less efficiently: iron, zinc, choline, calcium (some tofu provides, but depends on coagulant used), iodine.

On the flip side, plants provide fiber and numerous phytochemicals that meat, fish, and eggs lack.


>Vitamin D3

Irrelevant amounts come from diet, adequate amounts come from sun exposure. Everyone should be supplementing this.

>Taurine, creatine, Carnosine

Irrelevant, synthesized by the human body.

>Retinol

Best consumed from carrots, sweet potatoes, etc. Only relevant animal source is organ meat (liver), which most people aren't consuming.

>B12

Even meat lovers get deficient on this, dietary intakes are usually inadequate. My mother and sister are rabid meat eaters and supplement it, everyone who has the means to should.


Omega-3 comes from seaweed and kelp, that's where the fish got it in the first place. You can get vegan Vitamin D3 capsules where the source is lichen. B12 is available in nutritional yeast (nooch) in very high amounts, it's also in many energy drinks. None of this is a serious issue.

> complete destruction of the global economy. This is not hyperbole. If nothing changes that's a completely realistic outcome within 50 - 100 years

Saying the global economy will be completely destroyed within 100 years does indeed sound hyperbolic, uninformed, alarmist, FWIW.


> clean energy hardware

This sounds interesting. Tell us more?


Clean energy hardware meaning clean electricity generation, energy storage, or energy management and arbitrage hardware that reduces the need for fossil fuel-derived electricity.

So solar panels, wind turbines, and batteries?

I would add flexible demand response sw/hw and long duration energy storage

And nuclear if you all care about is the carbon footprint.

Not really given how ruinously expensive it is? Isn’t the most decarbonization per dollar the fastest what matters?

It’s not always possible depending on where you are.

Actual real reasons like possibility of continuous dark cold windless weeks in the winter and then the more common/real one. Politics.

Also if someone wants to build nuclear why would you not let them? More production in general is better as long as the public money put into it is the same per kWh produced as wind/solar/whatever why would I care?

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They suggest gas peaker plants to cover such climate scenarios (long cold windless winter weeks). Literally their solution for zero carbon is “build gas power plants”. And this isn’t just a coupe but several GW worth and also they only run during those week to two so price is in euros (not cents) per kWh.

Also their listed cost of nuclear power is a lot higher then actual real cost (TVO lists these publicly but every study still uses numbers that are much higher)

Edit: and again if someone wants to build (and pay for it) let them. Electricity production here (Finland) isn’t some single system where someone has control over all the investment but a free market where everyone is free to compete. If you think that you can compete with your solution (and can convince the investors/banks) why should we be saying no you can’t? In electricity production where there is actual cost for CO2 this actually works.

For the record I am against the government giving some guaranteed tariff price (or any other direct subsidy like that) to any production method. If new nuclear can’t be built without such subsidies then we should not build it.


this looks phenomenal. Can't wait to try it out.

Why would you pick something that isn’t ubiquitous? Being everywhere is the probably the most important feature for the vast majority of cases.

Because ubiquitous has nothing to do with any other quality like correctness, ease of use and ergonomics, good taste, robustness, and so on.

Collaboration requires synchronization.

Topic was discussed at length yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50154244

Are you arguing that US government offices should run Chinese models?

I thought it is a US led Western order that wanted free market access and that protectionism was decried as part of Communist/Socialist ideology. Clearly that order has collapsed with all the Western hypocrisy that comes with it.

Preventing your government services from being dependent on a geopolitical foe is not protectionism.

It isn’t hypocritical.

It is obviously smart statecraft.


> It is obviously smart statecraft.

I don't recall Western pundits saying it is smart statecraft when China erected the Great Firewall.

> Preventing your government services from being dependent on a geopolitical foe is not protectionism.

That is exactly protectionism.


It is clearly protectionism. You can argue that is justified, but prefering blocking foreign companies to protect your nation's own interests has a word.

> It is clearly protectionism.

You're wrong. Protectionism is an economic policy where a government tries to protect domestic businesses and industries from foreign competition.

This is not that.


It is exactly that. US AI companies cannot compete with Chinese models because they are obviously way cheaper. That's the only reason why this is being done. Everyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knew this was coming. This is my comment from 17 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49956717

> Protectionism is an economic policy where a government tries to protect domestic businesses and industries from foreign competition

This is exactly that.


Would you agree that there's poor taste?

As much as there is good taste, with similar degrees of subjectivity.

Rough hewn "unfinished" fittings (tables, chairs, cabinets, etc) are the kinds of objects that bounce about the taste spectrum


I agree that there's poor taste :)

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