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What evidence evidence would actually change your stance on this? a formal admission from OpenAI and Anthropic. Yet that's unlikely


Any actual evidence would be worth considering. This is a pretty weak correlation and an assumption, nothing more.


I don't think it just a rumor. But we can't tell since western lab architecture are secret.


This is the exact definition of rumor.


Say what you will, but using "google" is just the fastest way to say "search the web." Unless a better, equally convenient phrase comes along, it’s not going anywhere anytime soon.


I just "search".

I can't think how anyone is going to be confused and think I want them to check the bins or something, but maybe we search for different things on the web.


My kids and their friends say “search it up”. I have no idea if that’s representative of the tween/teen population. But google as a verb will likely die on its own. It’s been a while since I’ve xeroxed anything.


I just web-search. Let me web-search that for you. According to a web search, it's fine.


If you read the page, it suggests "to look up" instead of "to google", which looks like the same amount of syllables.


That definitely puts it ahead of a lot of proposed replacements that end up being more syllables (which I firmly believe puts them in a disadvantage; I'm still looking for a reasonably terse generic word for "the person who delivers my mail" because "letter carrier" is a mouthful, and "mail person" just sounds like a weird way of referring to a man or boy, which is the opposite of what the generic term is for).

I'm still not convinced this is quite as ergonomic as it could be though because of a quirk of phrasing; instead of saying "I googled that", you'd need to say "I looked that up". As someone who often struggles to enunciate super well most of the time without my speech becoming slow to the point of tedious, it does still feel a bit more verbose because "googled" is such an awkward word that you can sort of pronounce it almost like 1.5 syllables by softening the second 'g' to produce something like "I goo-ulled that" and its still is intelligible. It still might be close enough that it can catch on, and I'm not at all opposed to it because of this minor inconvenience, but I do think that there are factors beyond a pure syllable count come into play even just in terms of linguistics rather than social convention.


there's some weird hang ups in English that you have to be cautious of, though.

"Hmm. Not sure. Maybe google it?" is pretty innocuous no matter the context.

"Hmm. Not sure. Maybe look it up?" can sound dismissive or condescending in some cases to some people's ear.

It's a weird quirk of English where being non-specific is like saying "I don't know, you figure it out", where being very specific is like saying "Here's the solution (that I would use)".


look up has the same number of syllables but it does not have quite the same semantic density, you can look something up without using a web search engine.


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To web-search works perfectly well. "I web-searched it". This is what I use.


"search for" is just as short, and "search" is shorter.


To web-search (two syllables)

To google (two syllables, only slightly glibber, due to no "b-s" plosive-fricative combo).

Maybe "web search" can be shortened to "bsearch" or "besearch", like "web log" got shortened to "blog".

"besearch" has grammatical precedence: bestow, bequeath, behead, bewitch, belabor, befriend, ...


They are actively transforming it into "ask Gemini" though. Which for me is often wrong. The organic search results are farther down, and if a lucrative term...you have to scroll past ads also. And the quality is not what it once was.

So Google is polluting what it means anyway.


This feels like a straw man argument. The parent comment didn't say it was a crime


I use crime in the broad sense of "You shouldn't be allowed to do that" in this context. If you have a better word to capture that thought, let me know, I'll make the edit ("frowned upon" perhaps?). I don't have strong feelings other than "hah AI companies aren't going to be able to create a moat to capture the value they want to capture because we can collectively keep pulling it out of their models in perpetuity through ever improving model distillation methodologies". This is no different than Uber and DoorDash using VC dollars to subsidize services until they try to turn the knob to profitability once they've captured the market, except in this case, there are mechanisms to exfiltrate the model value into open models that can be distributed at very small marginal cost. They can never gate the golden goose money printer, they can only complain it isn't fair they aren't able to.

"The Spice must flow."


does it use yt-dlp under the hood. also is there an option to add random delays between downloads?


yes it uses yt-dlp and that is a good idea. Currently, vodforge does not add random delays between downloads, it will start the next in queue immediately when the former finishes but I can add that as an option in a future update if desirable as well as scheduling.


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