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Through open conversations, demonstrations, promote education and awareness to the relevant stakeholders.

Not all countries abolished slavery in the same way as the States. Violence is not always the answer.


Those countries, like the UK, didn't have much slave ownership to begin with. They just had slave trade, so much fewer stakeholders to complain about abolishing it, and even those had a more profitable replacement: colonialism.

Isn't that why there's such investment into code verification agents in the cicd pipeline?

If the future is agentic, human review will be core bottleneck that needs to be streamlined.


I work at a hyperscalar and we just send it, if something breaks the model can just open a ticket and fix it automatically and write a new test. This is much cheaper than spending a bunch of money and stalling things with human CI/CD

Whatever happened to the principle that finding a bug during design is best, finding it during development is a little worse, finding it during QA is even worse, and finding it in prod is the least acceptable?

"Let's break prod and fix it later" is a terrible attitude. It didn't start with LLMs but boy LLMs seem to be making it widespread. Would it kill developers to find problems before deployment?


The principle you suggest is idealistic and has no grounding to reality. If the cost to fix something in production is close to none, and the consequences are close to none, the principle does not reflect reality.

The breaking bugs we shipped have went up about 40% year-to-year, but the engagement, user counts and revenue has grown much more than before because of the new features that got shipped. So overall its a big net win.


Precisely, technology is there to facilitate the interest of the business, and not the other way round.

AI has really laid bare how little software is valued as a craft—it's been true for time immortal but some SWEs really buy into the idea. And occasionally we're able to trick leadership into believing it too with terms like "tech debt." But now that the business has for the first time literally any other option and can trade quality for speed they're starting to skip dev entirely the way they skipped QA before.

Wouldn't the cost to fix something in production be expensive, because many things won't be reported until one of your users got pissed off enough to report it (hopefully accurately) enough to fix?

In other words, you are shifting cost onto users doing your QA now.


Its much cheaper to have the users verify the systems if they have problems with it. We have not found a decrease in engagement, monthly use of the tools and revenue despite this switch.

In general it seems like the average user does not really care about these things. Some bugs like partially broken features are live for weeks with growing engagement before someone reports them.

Functionality is secondary to engagement of the user, its much, much more important to serve the right output that will keep the user on the feature than it is to have it working 100%.


I guess if his users are somehow fine with QAing constantly broken software, then he can get away with it. As a professional who cares about my work product, I wouldn’t accept the practice. But if it’s working for some companies, I guess more power to em.

I think the fact that defective products don’t make a difference speaks to how deeply unserious much of the software industry has become.


"Unserious" is a completely subjective idealistic take here.

Let's say you're are a "serious" baker, who always puts egg wash on top of his buns. You see another baker open up shop that does not do this. You say that he is unserious and does not do things with "care" while he outsells you, it's you who are unserious and will have to close down shop when you get outcompeted.


A better analogy is if the competing baker had such poor quality control that once in a while his buns tasted like chicken, once in a while they came out green, and once in a while they made customers sick. I would call that baker unserious, even if he was making more profit.

In the food prep world, we have Health Departments that come in and shut down unserious businesses like that. In software we don’t.


Everybody is trying to copy the companies who have either already-established dominant market position or such compelling products that a bunch of paper-cut bugs don't really matter as long as they aren't catastrophically fucking people over.

Most people don't have that luxury, though.


Those days are long gone, unfortunately. I haven't seen anyone write a real design document in years.

How does the AI know something is broken?

Things fail (website does not load, server goes down, users complain, etc).

you dont just get to ci/cd your way to nirvana. your ci/cd are only as good as your tests. your tests are only as good as the understanding of the tests. left to AI nobody knows what the code or the tests are doing they could just be hardcoding passes for all you know.

Then you can get a verification agent to validate the quality and coverage of those tests.

And when your users complain because you've left yourself with a pile of broken, unmaintainable slop?

You are working on the incorrect assumption that AI generated code are automatically broken.

Often the maintenance of the code is also left to AI, human readability is a bonus.


it's elephants all the way down....

We’ve already stopped bothering with human reviews where I’m at.

I feel like this question was not asked in good faith.

We should be supportive of creative endeavours and exploratory coding in the spirit of learning.


Burning fossil fuels to power the slop machine in times of climate catastrophe is neither creative nor in the spirit of learning.


What are you learning if you just let the AI do everything for you?


One'll learn what is possible, how things work, etc. you sound more like a bitter veteran than a curious child and this attitude is not helpful.


One can do that without posting it to a public GitHub repository, and then posting it to HN and wasting everyone else's time with it.


You could say this about 99% of articles posted here. One might even say VCs are in the business of wasting peoples' time.

But, my time is not wasted, and my cortisol managed not to spike at the presence of a tool. I suggest therapy or meditation or some way to mediate the stress of interacting with reality.


How to get things done with prompts, for one ; a skill that's looking increasingly useful as time goes on.


That must be the difference between me and the “skilled” prompt-brained “junior developers” (allegedly) that I work with that revert to a pre-historic ape brain if they don’t have copilot. They’re just on another plane of “skills” that’s so far beyond me my puny brain can’t comprehend putting some text in a box and running a loop.

I’ll try to remember that the next time I ask one of them to explain something the agent vomited out and they just start drooling and stare blankly into space. Must be some new language I’m too dumb to comprehend.


TIL That's what xAI named their super compute cluster after, what an incredible tribute to such an incredible act of innovation. Let's hope the New Colossus lives up to its name sake.


Can you please explain why it is depressing? This feature is widely celebrated in the accessibility user groups in India, since the traditional sign-in methods have been proven to be a major friction point for users with special needs.


The same reason age identity verification is getting a lot of push back..? This is dystopian on another level.

We are gong to reach a state of total digital surveillance without regulation at this point.


Then regulate. The feature itself is useful, not depressing.


At this point all govs would just regulate it to mandatory.


The current issue is in the category "action from bad regulators is worse than no action".

(The further issue is that bad regulators are posing the basis for future worse regulators.)


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