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Great, but audio and audio mix is absolutely horrendous and super turbo 2.0 annoying. So much so I had to turn it off and read CC.

I liked it, felt right for the video

I think it might be the mix and the (low) level of voice over background and the stereo image combined with what I am listening on that makes me uncomfortable for some reason.

I wish this was a joke. Turns out, Google turned into a joke. I was really rooting for them; They had everything in place to be the top dog. From people to research to hardware to internet.zip (and video.zip and emails.zip and newsgroups.zip and code.zip and android.zip etc..). I don't want to sound negative and what they built is probably great in its own right, but what was expected of them and what they have delivered so far, I can definitely say that they blew it hard. They did manage to turn gemini into search 2.0 on google.com and it does work.. but, come on. Where's the google of yesterday? Seems they put a ton of weight that's not on the level of people that were there before and I don't want to offend anyone there, but it sure looks like that.

The same was true 15 years ago when the cloud started hyping up and Google missed that in similar ways as well, so I’m not sure whether the “Google of yesterday” is who you think it is.

This is the Google of yesterday, they didn’t change.


Fair point

A good % of the Google of yesterday is now in working in frontier labs, crushing it.

The only good products Google has ever built in-house are search and GMail. Everything else is acquisition or crappy product.

So we should ask “why would it be different this time.”


IMO google maps and google earth were revolutionary when they came out. And maps stayed well ahead of competition for many many years.

I'm one of those few that liked Google Wave!

There are ones of you!

Maps was originally an acquisition.

Both were acquisitions.

It started at where2 and Google acquired them.

Youtube, hate it or not, is really good. The amount of data they have to handle everyday is on different level.

For sure. It was an acquisition, though.

Apart from search, what did Google make in house?

Gmail? I don’t recall that being an acqui.

Google finance was an incredible portfolio tracking and research tool. Until they released v2 which took away all the functionality and replaced it with a news feed.

And think that somebody designed it, and somebody else approved it.

Chrome was pretty great as well, it was desperately needed.

Google Chrome didn't start from scratch. Blink came from WebKit which came from KDE's KHTML. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(browser_engine) , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML

Entirely irrelevant - Chrome really stepped up both security and speed over WebKit at that time.

The comment you replied to was: "The only good products Google has ever built in-house are [...]"

I don't have enough information to judge how much of Chrome was original work and how much was pre-existing work. Though I guess by now, after nearly 20 years, Chrome's codebase looks absolutely nothing like KHTML.


It was the rare confluence of people needing the same thing the megacorp showing them ads needed. We all benefited, no hard feelings, but always remember to look at where the puck is going.

I blame how things turned out more on Mozilla being distracted and forgetting about their own user base, to be honest.

The fact that it made the browser itself impossible to monetize to fund development was a part of it. They were an antitrust insurance to Google and tried lots of stuff to improve its position. Granted they failed, sometimes quite spectacularly, but I still drive Firefox for personal use.

The money earned with Firefox should have gone to Firefox but went to vanity projects instead. Firefox OS, Mozilla Social, Firefox Send / Persona, acquiring Pocket, etc etc. And all of it failed.

Nevermind the controversies of silly ad campaigns and CEO salaries and whatnot.

Mozilla should have just reinvested all the money into Firefox. Heck, they couldn’t even finish their rust-based rendering engine.


App Engine was good for its time, and I don't think that was an acquisition. Similarly, Cloud Storage and Google Cloud in general are pretty good products.

I started using AWS when EC2 and S3 first came out, but was forced to switch to Gcloud by the most recent company I joined. I was pleasantly surprised. In many ways it's more techie-focused than AWS, which is more enterprise-focused. And their managed Kubernetes is second to none.


Isn't Waymo the state of the art?

They’re still the same price as an uber and there’s no way to actually order one, it’s all random. I don’t understand why… like I actively would prefer them. If they were available so instead I find myself reaching for the cybercabs instead at half the price.

Uh, use the Waymo app?

HN is hilarious man lol half the world runs on the office suite and drive, at all levels

Workspace was acquisition.

Google acquired it from Upstartle (the company behind the online word processor Writely).

Writely was created in 2005 by Claudia Carpenter, Steve Newman, and Sam Schillace. Google bought Upstartle in 2006 and Writely became the foundation of Google Docs. Google then combined it with other acquisitions, such as 2Web Technologies for spreadsheets, and launched Google Docs & Spreadsheets in October 2006.


Calendar is my fav.

> I was really rooting for them

may I ask why?


I can't answer for another person but 30 to 25 years ago it was kind of Google vs Microsoft. The Don't be evil times.

Tangentially related, I managed to have super mario from Mario 64 help me out while developing a renderer by using wonderful libsm64 https://x.com/Keyframe/status/2111909018595676245 and I put more details here https://www.reddit.com/r/GraphicsProgramming/comments/1x7r2x...

Note well libsm64 was made before LLM era, it's wonderfully absurd but also highly useful (to me at least).


Are you Italian?

I'm just curious, since I never heard "Note well" in English, but it kinda sounds like "nota bene"


Only by heritage, but I do use nota bene quite a lot. That's where it came from. Good catch!

N.B. is a legit English abbreviation

Production and other realities aside, I've seen some cool shit in my life and this demo is high up there! Did you guys catch 0.5 mach target top speed? That's 600kmh. It'd better do that flying because there probably aren't any rubber tyres that could endure that before exploding within seconds.


Late Mark Haigh-Hutchinson wrote a great book about real time game cameras "Real Time Cameras: A Guide for Game Designers and Developers". Anyone interested in the topic ought to check it out.


You arent dead, if you are remembered.


One would think just some classes and forms of RAM increased in price. I have 128 GB (2 x 64GB DDR5 SO-DIMM) in my home NAS. Home NAS. Those nice ugreen DXP8800 Plus thingamabobs. It'd be over 2k euros for RAM alone now. Ridiculous. Add to that two SN850X 4TB SSDs, and 8 (+1 unpacked spare) IronWolves Pro and it's now a serious worth.

No end in sight.


Same here, especially telco interactive CD-ROMs. Type of work that always was abundant for some reason or the other.


I did an odd interactive media course in college - not CS but lots of programming in various languages.

I loved Director and used it for many assignments. Made so many CD-ROMs, even 3d games using Shockwave and models we'd make in 3DS Max.

It was fun graduating and trying to get a job in 2003! Realising CD ROMs were becoming a thing of the past and having to immediately teach myself HTML and Flash.

On reflection it set the tone for the 20+ years of continuous learning and language swapping!


The internet was so fucking great up until around the time facebook showed up and became overbearing. Starting with an era of 'multimedia' CD-ROMs and first wave of internet, through the second wave of internet around the dotcom era and the third era of "AJAX" it felt really open, accessible, full of everything.

I can't tell for sure what happened around 2005 or so, youtube spawned up as well and it seemed for a while it was going great and then things started dying off, getting walled-in and dying within those walls as well.. I don't know how it happened, maybe as Hemingway put it - two ways. gradually, then suddenly.

Factbook was one such place that carried memories of ye olde past.

Also, CIA FACTbook, not CIA FACEbook, although when you think about it and In-Q-Tel lol.


I'm more interested to hear why 9? Why not 3 or 12. What's going on there? I've been on both sides of the fence and it's interesting to hear thoughts on it always.

Hiring is the most important thing you are doing in a company. Always has been. From my experience it's also highly dependent on how big the org is and how structured it is. No two hiring processes are alike. Common theme I've picked up when hiring people is first and foremost to do a 'vibe check' convo through which both you and the applicant get to know a bit each other, ambitions, learn about the role and do a q&a. If you have experience with this, and you know your team(s), you will easily pick up if the person fits the bill. That usually takes around an hour to two _at most_. Second part is then for the person to talk to the team itself, the team lead. Over time, I found it's best to do a live exercise of either walking through something or doing something (not leet code, just something representative as a mental exercise) while chit chatting about it which is also a covert vibe check. If that passes, third convo is back to the same person initially talked to to strike a deal (which was foreshadowed with terms on the first talk). All in all 3-4 hours total after years of pruning.

Personally - vibe check, vibe check, vibe check. Never let HR do the talk, let HR funnel candidates for a shopping list.. or in this case it seems to be essays that do that.


Well they are a podcasting company, so they have podcast about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN8lcIUKZAU

The discuss it in some other places. That said I don't remember why exactly 9h, more in general why they heir the way they do.


I do that on my renderer. each commit when it's ready to be merged gets a class of visual diffs. Dolphin's way was a major inspiration how to structure it, but it was _the way_ in rendering way before it.


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