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I'm interested in why people think this is wrong, in case this is the reason for the downvotes.


Because what is true for these 3 countries is not true for all countries. There are counter-examples where nuclear is cheaper.

In most countries which don't have the advantages of Australia or Finland, you do need a mix as the OP was saying


What is Italy lacking? Sun? Wind?


Usually comes down to industry energy needs.


OP (ViewTrick) is very well known in the online nuclear energy community. He is the moderator of the NuclearEnergy subreddit where he regularly bans people for saying positive things about nuclear energy.


I didn't downvote but it's nonsense, nobody can sustain a winter with batteries and other storage.

I only checked the first paper and it doesn't seem talk about what would happen if a 3 weeks bad wind event would happen in winter, and a rough look at the figures makes me think it just wouldn't work at all. I didn't check the other papers.

And the proof is in the pudding anyways, if it's that cheap and feasible to do, well let's see who's doing it.


It is Simon Michaux that throws out the figure that you need 2TWH of storage to make it through he worse of Winter.

https://www.ecoshock.org/2024/02/why-renewables-cannot-power...

I think he points to a valid point but completely over plays his hand. Everyone that has argued these kinds of points have brought valid arguments but have completely under estimated the pace of change.

Do keep in mind that Michaux is a fan of being a little contrarian. He likes the attention it being to him.

He might be right, and him pointing to the issues may actually be something that helps us avoid these issues. Generally, knowing about a problem is a much better position than being slammed by something you didn't anticipate.

I tend to think long term we are going to a much lower energy world, that we made the mistake of building a world and our expectations to the paradigm of fossil fuels. But I also think that we are not going back to the stone age and that renewables will do better than the pessimists. Good chance we will hit a reasonable mid-ground even if it means living standards change, possibly a smaller, slower but more intentional world. It may be nice even if it means you can no longer get a slab of Coke for an hours wage.


I think the complete opposite, we are going towards a high energy world, I expect the current electric grid to be multipled by 3, both to replace petrol and add new usage on top.

Which makes the whole "we'll build renewables and storage" sounds even more unrealistic


They just model the weather hour by hour. But you’re made up scenario is of course impossible to cover.


And coincidentally, Venezuela has heaps of oil.


Do you trust the banking app installed from Aurora enough to do your online banking? I don't, and I really wish there would be a decent way to verify that the installed/provided apps are legit. For me this is the biggest downside of using GrapheneOS, which I'm otherwise extremely happy with.

(for me, the whole point of using GrapheneOS is privacy and not sending data to Google, so using the PlayStore is not an option)


Android apps are signed. Can't you verify the signature?


Can you?

I'm pretty sure if I try calling my bank or searching the website to confirm the developer's public key fingerprint, there's not going to be any answer. You have to ask Google's servers to give you the APK and trust what it gives you, either via the front-end called Aurora or the front-end called Play Store


Privacy Guides is building a database of signing keys with a verifier app:

https://github.com/privacyguides/verified-apps-android

https://github.com/privacyguides/verified-apps/

I think in general trust is established for Play Store apps by downloading the app with the Play Store on a phone with Google Certified Android. Then the app can get the signing key for storage in the database. Then this can be used to verify APKs downloaded outside the play store.


Maybe not in practice, but in theory, it works. I don't think there's a better way of handling this without relying on some centralised authority (Google) to validate the authorship of an app, which is hardly desirable.


Doesn't AppVerifier allow you to do just that?


Doesn't Aurora download the packages directly from Google?


Presumably the parent does not want to have to trust Aurora to do that


How about Volvo giving away their patented 3-point safety belt design for free to all competitors?

https://techandmedialaw.com/open-patent-rights-for-seatbelts...

(edit: sorry, re-reading your comment you were more directly referring to the AI companies and this context, I interpreted this more generally on my first glance)


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