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There might not be, how is your reasoning any less “sloppy”?

When has an ill-informed herd hungry for cash ever been led astray by people waving trillions of dollars in their faces? I for one trust the wisdom of these crowds of highly technical people who clearly understand the inner workings of the systems (both ML and economic) they’re prepared to surrender to.

There’s a huuuuuuge “if” at the center of all that which isn’t particularly compelling unless you’re selling “AI”.

I’d be far more worried about this causing turbo cancer than immortality in dictators.

It might be beneficial if it gives turbo cancer to the dictators, of course.

It turns out that if you trigger all four Yamanaka factors—yeah, turbo cancer. But if you trigger only three of the four, you can trigger a reversion to the stem cell state without the increased cancer risk.

Dubious. Do you have a reference or two? In general biological systems are not this simple.

What if we cure cancer with AI very soon? Give it 10 years.

Remind me of the chance some same AI kills us all before 10 years?

Funny you mention that, I guess this is a new cult maxim for the faithful?

https://fixvx.com/Kalshi/status/2109791302674235656?s=20

Save us all from people like this.


Disrupting someone's federally protected right to assemble and worship is a civil rights issue, just like forcing people to do that would be. If you stop and think about this a bit it's really obvious how "disrupt what's happening in a house of worship I don't like" would play out if it was allowed.

In fact there's history of black churches, synagogues, mosques and Sikh temples have been attacked, bombed, disrupted, and otherwise interfered with. You don't have the right to disrupt a girl's baseball team practice on a campus either. The Klan can't march through your living room.

This isn't hard to understand.


Would Jesus have pressed charges for their trespass? Nobody got hurt or lynched. Looking for an actual Christian to chime in here.

I’m not a Christian, but even I know that there’s more to Christianity than some parables. Even then if you want to get down to it Jesus is the same guy who cleared a temple by force.

So you know, cherrypick these things at your peril.


Thank you for your take, and I am aware of the reasoning the Bible states behind clearing the temple.

You have rights to assemble and protest, they have rights to assemble and worship. It’s all about trying to strike a reasonable balance between your competing rights.

I'm terrible at making these sort of lists, and I usually find them very debatable, but I'll be damned... I found myself nodding along with every last one of those.

For a lot of people Apple is the ecosystem they access everything through, including payment processing. That cuts both ways, but Apple has shown a clear preference for protecting user privacy when they could have chosen to do otherwise, presumably because it makes them more money in the long run.

Why would that suddenly change in Netflix or some other company's favor at Apple's direct expense?


It's not in Apples expense, it's actually in it's benefit, your keys would be in their system, and impossible for anyone (including you) to get them out of it.

So you are now locked in to the apple ecosystem forever. You now need Apple to watch Netflix from your Samsung TV.


Apple has very good support for Passkey storage in third party password managers/wallets. They don't seem to want Passkeys to be a lock in. They've also made it clear that they see attestation as a consumer privacy violation and won't support it.

> They've also made it clear that they see attestation as a consumer privacy violation and won't support it.

I'm trying to get a source on this but failing, do you have a link or some wwwdc sessions where Apple detail their stance ?


This is some of my notes from the last time this came up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43988852

Thanks a lot !

I see your angle, but would take their comments more at face value: their concern is really sync, anything privacy probably being the nice side effect.

Sync has been part of their strategy for a while now, from revamping the whole iMessage stack to allow for sync, to their work on eSim etc. so the move doesn't break with their recent trends either.


It seems a case of both. It's easier to find more written documentation than spoken documentation. Unfortunately I have no idea how to search WWDC talks or the like, because they have brought up privacy concerns many times.

That comment reminded me too that Apple had briefly talked about supporting consumer attestation if they thought they could make it private enough and the compromise they ended up supporting and delivering were the uvi and uvm extensions, which is nothing like Attestation, are not attested claims (and can be "lied" about by passkeys), but are a much more privacy preserving alternative. Since uvi and uvm were accepted as standards I've not heard of Apple mentioning consumer attestation again.

(uvi and uvm are the CYA assertions that "this key was involved in a multi-factor process such as biometric unlock" which RPs like banks can use for "due diligence" and "regulatory compliance" to require keys be MFA in some way without requiring a full Attestation. Because they aren't attested they are "I solemnly swear a biometric unlock was used" claims, but in terms of regulatory compliance that should be enough in most jurisdictions especially if you can prosecute liars as in-breach-of-contract or felony misdemeanors, which a bank can in cases of banking fraud. So these extensions are huge and another big reason this article is wrong about the slippery slope here, because Apple already made huge progress in standing up bulwarks against it, uvi and uvm extensions being big bulwarks against attestation requirements for consumers.)


Both Android and iOS support 3rd party password managers as the passkey store. Bitwarden with passkeys works seamlessly on both my iOS and Android devices (along with MacOS, Windows, and ChromeOS).

If passkeys are intended for platform lock-in then Big Tech is doing a really bad job...


You make it sound like Apple needs to lock the door instead of just opening it while everyone else shoots themselves in the foot. For people who want "it just works" as the highest function of their device, nothing comes close to Apple. It's only people with a technical inclination or specific needs who chaff at that, or people like me who are just cranky old bastards who don't want their own media collection apart from i/Apple/Everything.

But man... I cannot tell you how many people don't even notice the walls of the garden. Besides Apple is in competition with some huge players, more than capable of offering "Done with Apple literally trapping you? Follow this link and we'll transfer your passkeys."


> "it just works"

That ship has sailed a long time ago.

Most people still hanging to that part have already built a whole way of life around the Apple ecosystem and the boundaries and how to work around them have become second nature to them.

The iPhone is now near 20y old, the world also changed, most got enshitificated, and looking at kids and elderlies dealing with their iPhones and macs none of it "just works".

Looking at Japan, it was the bastion of iPhone predominance, but I'm the latest numbers 30+ yo gradually got off the train to move to android as their phone is just becoming another tool to them.


You said “it doesn’t” a whole lot, but unless I missed something you didn’t give any examples of what’s failing. From my own experience integration of peripherals is seamless within the ecosystem, and my elderly relatives never need tech support.

I’m sorry you’ve had a bad time though.


From the top of my head, try to share your Fitness data to someone on a regular basis. We bought our mother in law an Apple Watch and she asked us to remotely check her data from time to time. We gave up pretty fast.

I'm on Android and my kid got my old iPhone. Parental controls can't be set by me.

My Apple ID still tried to contact my old iPhone when logging in as a dev.

I don't need to expand on iMessage and where messages go, it's part of the lore at this point. My wife's airport auto-swirching was also a mess to the point she disabled it.

Google Maps' time line features get randomly shut off and you only know it way after the fact.

The list just goes on and on. I also have my frustrations on other platforms, I'm just pointing out Apple is far from being great. People just get used to the rough edges after a while and tout it as "good enough".


> Done with Apple literally trapping you? Follow this link and we'll transfer your passkeys.

That's the whole point of the FIDO specs. This is now literally impossible to do. All the vendors are weirdly okay with this I believe it's because it cuts both ways.


Except that this is not true. There is a FIDO specification for both a format and secure protocol for exchanging passwords and passkey information between password managers, with support on all Apple platforms, and implemented by 1Password, Bitwarden, Dashlane, and more:

https://rmondello.com/2026/09/07/switching-password-managers...

https://fidoalliance.org/download-credential-exchange-specif...


Oh, that's good. They've moved on from threatening password managers of their ability to be considered a trusted app if they offer that functionality, like they did to KeePass. "We'd hate to have to blacklist KeePass".

Phys.org is good for DOI links to the studies they butcher and nothing else. It makes me cringe every time I see people discussing their writing seriously, but my God they’re a popular domain.

They’re often sensational and frequently inaccurate or misleading, but often the research they cite is worthwhile.


Yeah I guess we should be happy for the hotlink to the article at least.

Autarky is a genuine witless notion in all of its many expressions, but it’s evergreen in populist narratives.

And yet self-reliance is a virtue for nation-states, too. Every serious country on the planet has an agricultural and industrial policy specifically calibrated to ensure adequate domestic production of essential goods and services.

There's a happy medium somewhere between Juche and just-in-time rawdogging global markets.


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