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That would be a much more convincing argument if he didn't have an affair with an executive there who is also a spy. My guess is he did know, the board knows he knows. At least. Helping facilitate the smuggling wouldn't be totally crazy either given these circumstances and his public positions.

Exactly. People are acting like this is some conspiracy or a woke move or something. When it seems pretty likely he just broke the law while acting as CEO and they're trying to get ahead of it.

I also had this sudden realization a year ago about the cruelty of animal usage in society and went vegan and my only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.

One other angle is there are the beginnings of consideration of cruelty to AI's. That's great that people are starting to consider it, to try to be compassionate out of the abundance of caution that it might matter.

But to then just straight up pay to have tens to hundreds of obviously sentient animal killed for you per year (and yes egg laying hens and dairy cows are killed in their youth, when they don't want to die) seems like a blind spot a lot of people have. I had it myself until recently, so I don't cast any judgment, but I also wish it was easier to make people just see the truth on this


Good for you for accepting an uncomfortable truth and making a change. I'm not sure where you are based, in some places it's easier to eat out as a vegan than in others. That said, the more people the better, and the easier it gets for everyone.


I do live in a big city, and I've found the eating part to be a non issue after like a one month learning curve. I now miss absolutely nothing, and am healthier and spend less on food. The hard part is dealing with social situations, but it's not that bad.


I live here and I'd be thrilled if it loses this particular dumb cruel tradition.


It'd be a very sad world if we banned everything which 'some' people believe is dumb and cruel.

Meat, cars, religious practices, schools, military, anything which pollutes...

Be careful what you're thrilled for! Diversity is good for a reason.


Sure, but the things you describe losing aren't overwhelmingly unpopular. But the people who live in New York want this. Overwhelmingly.

Do you live in New York? If not, why should you have any say -- especially in keeping a performative tourist amusement around? "Dance for me, New Yorkers!"

If you are from New York, your neighbors overwhelmingly want this. Are you against losing this because it's genuinely good? Or some more abstract philosophical reason? If it's the latter, do you apply that evenly?


I don't think that's the argument. Slavery was overwhelmingly popular in the American South. Nevertheless massive violence was appropriate to stop it.

Democracy has frequently produced monstrous outcomes.


Holy false equivalency, Batman. We're discussing an attraction. One that residents believe is cruel. The people are trying to end cruelty.

Yes, sometimes democracy produces bad outcomes in the name of preventing cruelty. But I don't think you can compare it to instances where humans are the target. We cannot ask the horses, "what would you prefer?"


Slavery, murder, torture, rape, robbery…

Diversity is good when it means people are free to be themselves. Diversity is bad when it means people get away with evil because no one is allowed to call them out. I am a liberal, not a relativist.


Even if you think this is true generally of horses and humans, I can't understand feeling that it remains true regardless of setting and conditions for the horse? Like, they're overworked, never ever leave cement and heavy traffic and loud city noises and small confined spaces.


the fact is that EVERYBODY is on board to steal the last remaining horse space, not improve it, not expand and enhance it, not accept that if horses have ANY right it is to STAY. after 10000 years with us, this is a cowardly shamefull act, despicable as few things are. SHAME


The last remaining horse space? There are so many horse spaces, what are you on about. Being amused in Central Park is not the last space for horses.


(ohferfucksake)The last remaing horse space in Manhattan(nitpickity,nitpickity,boo!), and someone here bragged about removing horses from central Montreal, the horrifying theme of destroying horses to save them bieng consistant in all of these fake animal rights crusades. The assult on having a big dog on/in a truck is so empowered and rabid that a happy dog in a truck, sitting on a city street, will gather a small crowd of concerned citizens working there phones to bring about a 'rescue' instantly, enthusiasticly lieing about the whole situation. It's gotten so bad that there is an app that integrates with cars cameras to document these incidents. I would go into my personal experiences with horses and dogs, owning and careing for, and other general battles, but as this is all a rear guard action, thats where my real efforts go. And in any case things are so desolate inside citys now that there are people feeding the rats,enjoy and be amused!


Why do horses need a space in Manhattan?


An era of seeing tourists do tourist things, and smelling horse shit in central Park?


I mean, there's human shit in Central Park. I once watched some genteel ladies hilariously clean up before an Easter egg hunt one morning. Surprise!

If you want to prioritize removing one type of Central Park shit, the list is probably human then dog then pigeon then horse.


Ok I’ll bite:

30 horses in the park, 6h per horse per day, uniform pooping

Call it 14 kg of feces per day per horse

Humans shit ~100g/day

115k park visitors a day

For humans to match that horse output, nearly 1% of all daily visitors would have to be pooping on the ground…

Granted, the horses have waste catchers, but even under a 90% efficiency regime it’s still 10kg of horseshit spread over the lower loop


Great math!

You overlooked the sentient-omnivore-who-leaves-makeshift-toilet-paper disgust multiplier.

If that factor is set to 100 (consider how inoffensive horse pucky is vs finding a year-old's soiled diaper) then we're talking 0.01% of 115K humans matches the horses.

That's only 11.5. Did 12 people drop one in Central Park today? That's one duece for every 70 acres.


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