I like Safari. I certainly trust Apple more than Google with my data. It's faster and doesn't mine my email and web data to train models (yet).

If it gets particularly bad, I'm sure some impartial team will make another browser engine with Opus 5.5 but for now I can tolerate the minor inconveniences in Safari.

I mean you could always vibe code a replacement in 30 minutes. Thankfully I don’t see DRM being a problem when you can’t DRM an idea. They will try, but how is that going for the games industry currently?

You're right, I don't care and I certainly didn't ask for your political opinion or validation. This is a tech news website, not the place for your false and unrelated political tirades.

Flag those comments. They're very clearly violating the guidelines, which is exactly what the flag button is for.

Technology isn't apolitical. You can choose to ignore the politics if it helps you sleep at night, but Elon's got three-letter agencies reaching up his ass like he's a Sesame Street puppet.

> Technology isn't apolitical.

Irrelevant. HN is not the place to randomly inject flamewars about politics. It's explicitly against both the purpose and guidelines of HN.

Seems like you need to review the guidelines again, because they're pretty clear:

> Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

"randomly inject flamewars about politics"

Basic morality is not "flamewars" or "politics".

I didn't miss anything. The parent that they can choose to ignore it forever, it's a perfectly valid option. It just won't disentangle tech from politics.

The fact that Elon Musk's companies take contracts from the CIA and NRO is not flamebait. It's context that informs how we evaluate future SpaceX ventures.

You can ignore muske politics if you want but what was false about the white supremacism?

You’re going to have to keep dealing with it, sorry to say, until you stop engaging with the work of a fascist. We’re not going away, and it’s just going to get worse.

Grok did ask its users what it thought about the right wing fever dream of genocide of white people in South Africa so its definitely relevant to one's consideration of the product.

Musk also shut down USAID for absolutely no reason at all which will cause the deaths of hundred of thousands of the poorest people in the world. Not a good look for the richest person in the world. Musk also sounds like a complete moron when he tries to justify why he did it.

We really need to move past this USB port garbage, it's holding the whole industry back and there was nothing good about USB A compared to C aside from its prevalence.

It's a thicker port, single orientation and slower. Why you would still want this legacy port is beyond me and it should be a industry wide mandate by now. Very surprised to see it on the Mac Studio this year, just get an adapter/dongle.

I want USB-A cause nearly every peripheral is USB-A. Might be because there were so many years when USB-C splitters didn't exist or had issues. Luckily my M1 Mac mini still has that, and HDMI.

Class compliance means something; first party support means something too.

The dongle era sucked then and sucks now. All the minefields of FW chipset era with none of the disclosure on usbC controller du jour.

They can't even make a headphone dongle work properly with an iPhone.

I haven't had any issues with my Apple TV?

Safari is the only real opposition to Google based browsers at the moment. Yes Firefox is a contender, but it has no brand traction among non-power users. Google has the brand, Safari has the defaults and energy efficiencies of the growing Apple laptop/desktop market. Although not open source, I trust it far more that a Google based browser as Apple - aside from PWAs competing with their App Store - has no real incentive to commodify, restrict or surveil the web like Google does.

> aside from PWAs competing with their App Store

Yeah. Aside. Let's just ignore that Apple intentionally prevents users from using the browsers most needed feature for the common user today killing it just like they killed Flash.

On macOS i use Safari for PWAs. It is just fine.

But I use Firefox as my primary browser. PWA support non-existent. They killed their basic PWA support many years ago. There are suggestions they will support it in the future.

On Linux/Windows, I use Brave for PWAs.

Intentionally how? Mobile Safari has pretty broad support for PWAs: https://pwascore.com

So one missing thing is enough to decide that PWA support isn't broad and Apple doesn't care about them, despite all those supported PWA APIs?

> behind 4 actions/clicks to make sure the users don't easily install PWAs.

I maintain a PWA for retainer client. Our website has a paragraph telling users how to install the PWA via the share button. We'd have a paragraph telling them how to install it from the App Store too if it weren't a PWA.

I think the fact that the paragraph is necessary is the damning part

Like I said, we'd have that paragraph even if the app was on the App Store. If it's damning, then it only damns the users because they're goldfish.

One missing thing? You think Apple forgot to implement the install event? Or that there is some technical reason?

No, I'm asking if that's the one thing you're hung up on? I feel like that was obvious.

Thankfully, otherwise the Web would already be ChromeOS Platform, because that is what 99% of the folks that don't use Safari would install.