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What on earth are you talking about?

The bottom of Maslow's hierarchy of needs are things you need to stay alive. Without these things you die:

- Food

- Water

- Shelter

- Sleep and rest

- Air and comfortable temperature

As much as men (and not exclusively men) like sex, they don't literally die without it.


I'm talking about Maslow's hierarchy of needs, as published in his landmark paper "A Theory of Human Motivation" that appeared in Psychological Review in 1943.

You would do well to read it, bearing this whole saga in mind.

But if that is too much for you, Wikipedia has a tl;dr:

"Maslow's hierarchy places sex in the physiological needs category, alongside food and breathing." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs#...)


"Not that long ago"

"appeared in Psychological Review in 1943."

I consider 1943 a long time ago.


The acceptance did not end (or begin) with the first publication?

But nothing turns on this. Feel free to replace "Not that long ago" with "Previously".


I guess the point is there's no value in repeating some long-refuted idea, especially when it's kind of sexist and outdated now.

There are a whole host of ideas we thought "previously". And then we learnt more and improved as a society, and now we don't think them anymore.

The fact we thought it previously and don't now is kind of evidence that we've moved on from that idea.


This is not just untrue, but anti-true; I think in a way you're not not aware of, you're making my point for me.

The reason I said "we just got rid of it" is precisely because the concepts have not been refuted.

>The fact we thought it previously and don't now is kind of evidence that we've moved on from that idea.

Again, moving on from an idea is quite distinct from refuting it. For example, one might quite reasonably say that many have "moved on" from what could be called the "kind of sexist and outdated" theory that people have only one of two genders, and cannot change it. Here too, this theory has not been refuted, despite all manner of advances in the sciences.

I understand that the pain of cognitive dissonance is real, and that you might not like to believe that, ultimately, you are being duped by the very sections of society relatively _more_ likely to be on the receiving end of your tax dollars, but again, I'd encourage you to read more primarily literature here - or even perform your own studies! - if you want to ground yourself in reality.

Or, by all means, choose to "fit in with the crowd". Just know that that is what you are doing; you can _not_ infer that since many or most people state "X is true", that X is, in fact true (or false).

I hope this helps.


When you say the automatic door "has won" do you mean it's won by rendering doormen obsolete? Because if so, that seems very untrue. According to Vanity Fair and NPR there are over 25,000 doormen working in New York City. 1930 there were an estimated few thousand. So since the invention of the automatic door, the number of doormen has skyrocketed.

Maybe, you'd say there are more automatic doors than doormen. I'm confident that is true, but those automatic doors haven't supplanted doormen; they're automatic doors where there would have been manual doors before.

So everything hasn't adapted around automatic doors. We've just got a lot more automatic doors now. And a lot more doormen.


You can't only compare doormen to doormen, because the number of people and doors have increased too. You need to compare doormen to doors. All the apartment buildings I've known people live at on Manhattan have only had automatic doors. You need to show that automatic doors replaced unguarded doors.

1) What proportion of doors had doormen before compared to now?

2) What proportion of the population was employed as doormen then and now?

3) What proportion of the population benefited from doormen then and now?


You would be surprised at how flat the population of NYC has been over the last ~75 years. It was 7.8m in 1950 and 8.1m in 2010. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/data-maps/n...


That is insane to me! I had no clue.


That is genuinely shocking to me… I guess NYC is at “capacity” and has been for that long?


I don't think that's necessary to refute the original point. The point I was disagreeing with was that automatic doors have "won" and doormen are no longer relevant. Whether 25,000 is a higher proportion of New Yorkers now than it was in 1930 isn't really a key point. 25,000 remains a large enough number that it is not true that doormen have been wiped out.

That said, to your actual points, as an intellectual exercise: while the population of New York has increased since 1930 (from around 7m to around 9m), the number of doormen has gone up much much faster (from "a few thousand" according to NPR to 25,000). So on the criteria you listed there, the number of doormen has increased as well.

The doorman example remains true.


NYC seems like a bad example since automatic doors haven’t been widely adopted.


If the automatic door hasn't been widely adopted, that literally proves the point I was making that automatic doors haven't "won".


Well, nothing functions in NYC, so using it as an example for the adoption of anything could yield a misleading answer.


It seems to work for doormen


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