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> We would be using LLM-generated compilers, an LLM-generated OS, an LLM-generated browser, LLM-generated databases, etc. etc. etc. etc, and not only are we not using all of those things, we're not using a single one of those things.

Speak for yourself :)


Surely I am not the only one that has basically stopped using web search almost completely? Wikipedia, YouTube search I still use sure, but almost anything I'd have searched Google for 5 years ago I just...plop into ChatGPT now. No outdated StackOverflow links, no Pinterest spam, no generic SEO slop. It seems Kagi has some AI stuff...but...why?

If you'd like to skip all those garbage results but not deal with an AI then kagi is great. Also, they don't track you and sell your data like AI companies surely do (or will do soon)

Note sure what plan your on, but ChatGPT is going to use Codex credits starting sometime in December. The $20 all you can eat dinner plan has come to an end...

Since work gives me a generous API token allowance only use the $20 sub for side projects but still going to hurt using Codex credits for regular ChatGPT questions. Has been my goto instead of Google also but.....


Or one could realize that the whole Imaginary Property charade is rapidly headed to obsolescence. Good riddance.

You may prefer the world where everything you do is owned by one of two, maybe three AI silos but I don't.

I don't see how that is at all relevant to what I said, seems like you just wanted a strawman to Don Quixote.

OK let me spell it out for you.

Ihe whole "Imaginary Property" (cute) charade is not rapidly headed to obsolescence. LLMs will only centralize control of IP to the corporations that will run their own LLM services, or license them to the services that will generate all of "your code" in the future. And under their terms of service, anything you generate will belong to those services, and not to you.


Oh thank god, the awful inspirational text shoved needlessly into everything has been excised.

And memory safety doesn't prevent logic errors (or using 4 as a private key for that matter)

No, but type safety does. You can't forget to lock an object before using it when that lock is part of the type. Or pass a raw user controlled path to a function that expects a validated one. If you want to do it on purpose you need to write unsafe code that's clearly visible to anyone reviewing your patch.

This said memory unsafe code just likely has more bugs because of all the footguns it has on top of all the other security work you need to do with it.

? I reorder stuff via my echos all the time. Especially things like toilet paper and paper towels.

No, if we disincentivized rural living like we should, and incentivize living in the city, this wouldn’t be a problem.

Hopefully!

So it’s replacing all the useless people?

Who cares what Luddites think?

Usually, people tend to care about what the overwhelming majority thinks, if only to remain informed. I guess branding all dissidents with a derogatory term of your choice and retreating back into the booster bubble is an alternate option.

When people in 2026 are self applying “Luddite” to themselves, then I’m going to start using that term.

And personally I’ve never cared what the majority OR the minority thinks.


That's fine if you want to sit alone in a basement playing with AI models, but the context here is politics and the wider business world. In those domains accounting for the thoughts and needs of other citizens isn't just the morally correct thing to do, it's required to have any sort of sustained success.

Data center companies had some initial wins utterly steamrolling local governments. They sent millionaire legal teams after part time city councils who didn't immediately cave to their demands and it worked for a time. But people notice that stuff, don't like, and will react.

You can ignore the world all you like, but if that's the attitude actual decision makers are going to take with AI things are going to get even worse for them, no matter how many demeaning insults they fling at their opponents.


If you're such a lone wolf then why do you rely upon society to keep you fed and clothed? Why even comment on a social forum if you're so anti-social?

Ideally the not-luddites, if they want to get anything done.

This argument of “you’re stupid and I’m not” is not a winning one. If you want naysayers to listen, you have to address their concerns. Not pretend their concerns aren’t valid.

What I’m learning from this comment section is that a lot of supposedly smart people have the reasoning and persuasion skills of small children. I mean, really guys?

You’ve told these people that this technology will destroy the labor market and their means of living and you’re actually shocked they might be a little skeptical? Really? Is your brain functioning okay? Did you take your medicine today?

Frankly, the Luddites have been more than generous and understanding with their perspective. The technocrats have been incredibly, unbelievably, unfathomably shit with their posturing and persuasion. Jesus Christ, get a grip.


I predict in the end the Ludds will get steamrollered by progress, same as always. I did enjoy all the name calling though, keep it up. :)

It’s not name calling, it’s the truth. It’s not about your predictions or who “wins”, it’s about understanding and persuasion.

The biggest proponents of AI, the people who created it, who value it most, have stated again and again “this will ruin your life” “this threatens humanity” “you all will be out of a job”.

Do you think that messaging, from the people MOST OPTIMISTIC about AI, inspires confidence in… well… anyone?

Luddites are luddites because you, yes YOU, created them. People wouldn’t be Luddites if their lives weren’t threatened. Of course they’re Luddites!

And, for the record, I’m not a Luddite. I’m just not fucking braindead and understand that, if we want AI to go anywhere, we have to stop making it out to be a world-ending mayday situation.

If you tell people “this will ruin your life” then guess what? They won’t want to support that thing. Congratulations, you’ve just achieved the reasoning skills of the average American five year old.

Now can we all move on and stop sabotaging any sort of progress? The impediment to AI isn’t Luddites, it’s you. It’s AI proponents. Who can’t listen and who can’t understand that making enemies turns you into an enemy.


I do.

Ludditism is a civilization ending disease. It will prevent going to the stars and curing mortal diseases.

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