Same. I'm in the plus plan, the chat and codex/work are decoupled there and I basically never use the latter. I'll keep my subscription until the merge happens and I'll jump ship (where, tho?) if it severely limits my usage. At least it seems like "instant" is going to stay unlimited.
Definitely have to recommend putting $10 in openrouter and try deepseek 4.1 flash. I can’t believe how far I’ve gone with only spending like $0.70 so far on credits
When looking at the performance / price graph of artificial analysis, we can see that deepseek doesn't seem to have a better profile, just notably worse and slightly cheaper models, so in the future a chatgpt user will be better serve with switching to Luna or Terra that have better profile than deepseek.
Honestly not my experience. I can’t just send it off to blindly work on a feature and expect quite the same level of correctness as Claude, but I’m also not trying to use it like that.
If you want to plan out features then use agents to implement them in small chunks, deepseek has been comparable to Sonnet 5.5.
But this is just early stages for me, I was fully using Claude models for a while and decided to switch after getting annoyed buying extra credits for personal projects.. I was like “eh I’ll just throw a few bucks in openrouter and see how it is this time” and it’s been so much cheaper than buying Claude api credits when my subscription is out
It uses tools in my custom harness about as well as Claude models and makes edits to files doing specific things about as well as I’d want.
I can use DS and others through my Kagi sub. The thing about ChatGPT was the integrated environment/memory and the ability to create artifacts, which make it very useful for my job (teaching /researching). I don't use llms for coding, nor for agentic stuff.
Question from a noob who’s never used openrouter: how do you actually do stuff with it other than chatting? Their website says it’s a unified interface for every model, but then they show a list of “most popular agents” (not models) that include things like “Codex” and “Claude Code”. Which implies I’m using openrouter to access other agents/harnesses, not just models. At which point what is openrouter doing for me?
I’d naively expect openrouter to be a thing that ships with its own agent/harness and lets you pick the model that requests are sent to. But the website implies that’s not what’s happening.
The APIs are essentially standardized. You just need to look up how to add another provider to whatever harness you're using. It's a similar thing when you want to try and use local models.
If you search for open source harnesses there are lots of them - I built my own with Claude and have been adding features now with a mix of Claude & Deepseek. It’s still just private for now but you can find others out there! Then you just give it an api key from openrouter and pick a model
> Definitely have to recommend putting $10 in openrouter and try deepseek 4.1 flash.
I'm pleasantly surprised by grok models.
We use cursor at work and i'm at the $20/month plan.
I used to mostly use Gpt, composer and occasionally opus. But this month i maxed these models quota and I've been working with Grok 4.7 essentially non stop for the last two weeks.
Grok is fairly verbose and somewhat slower but in the end it does get the job done. I've done a surprising amount of work (planning, implementing, tool usage, analysis) on the base plan.
Grok is the least "honest" out there. And you should 100 % never believe anything Elon Musk says, he's one of the most clueless and unreliable people in existence.
Grok had specific baked in instructions to avoid negative statements about Musk and Trump, how is that for truth seeking? No other LLM company has done that from what I know.
Grok seems to be so honest that it's actually super easy to get it to criticise Musk, based on real facts and things Musk has said or done.
I know Musk tried to subvert it before, but it doesn't seem to have worked much, or at least not much these days.
Yes, it's also easy to use real facts and get Gemini to criticise Google, GPT models to criticise OpenAI, and Claude models to criticise Anthropic.
But the point is that people think Grok is somehow super loyal to Musk, and it's simply not. Maybe it's because it's "maximum truth-seeking", I have no idea.
If you simply go by what he is saying, then you should also simply go by what anyone else is saying during the time Musk isn't talking. When he says he's Jesus, he's Jesus until someone else says he's not. That's as much as you can be trusted with.
> man who has stated repeatedly why he wants "maximum truth-seeking AI".
Right, fair enough since Musk and the sort of people he supports and associates with are widely know for not being the biggest liars and hypocrites in generations.
