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> That’s incitement to violence

While actual incitement to violence isn't protected speech, that wasn't even close to incitement to violence, which requires meeting three prongs clearly defined by SCOTUS.

I encourage you to review actual statements which SCOTUS has previously ruled are NOT incitement to violence. It's so incredibly narrow and particular, I was left wondering if anything can meet the definition. Jimmy Kimmel is so far from it your assertion is ludicrous.


True, but irrelevant given that ABC is not in any way part of government. It was justified that the general public deemed those comments unacceptable, specifically because they were an attack on the very principles that made them legally permissible; and ABC was capable of, and morally justified in, punishing them (and also legally permitted to punish them).


> It was justified that the general public deemed those comments unacceptable

Is this the same general public whose backlash over the suspension got it reversed a few days later by the network, and by Nextstar and Sinclair a few days after that?


Of course "the general public" is not a homogeneous group by definition.

Those who objected to the speech were morally in the right, because the speech clearly crossed a line. It baselessly accused others of trying to cover up a truth which would have been damaging to them, except that it turned out to be the exact falsehood that Occam's Razor would have predicted. And it did so with the force of broadcast media behind it.


Since you hate free speech and think speech that are lies is evil, why aren't you complaining non-stop about Trump and MAGA?


The prohibition against inciting violence has nothing to do with whether or not the speaker is a government entity.

Indeed, I think you should look at the speech that SCOTUS ruled is protected in the landmark Brandenburg v Ohio[0] case to see how extremely narrow the "imminent lawless action" standard is. It's ridiculously hateful and inflammatory, and filled with several non-specific threats of violence against minority groups. This was labelled protected speech. Brandenburg was a private citizen here, and he prevailed over the state of Ohio.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio


You miss the point completely. 1A is irrelevant because ABC is not a government entity. In the phrase "Congress shall make no law", "Congress" is not decoration, and "law" is interpreted literally.

The statements were frankly defamatory, and only not actionable because they didn't define a clear target nor cause demonstrable "actual damages".


What statement and who does it defame? Why does ABC being a private or government entity matter for its free speech rights?


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What statement again? Be clear, show us what you think is such an evil statement. Why aren't you making a similar level of vitriol against the "they are eating cats and dogs" or so many other lies and nastiness maga makes?


How does it defame right wingers? You must be really insane to think Kimmel rightfully presenting the possibility the shooter could have been right winger is defamation. Is all political analysis defamation? You sound really confused. ABC's actions are quite distinct from the american governments illegal threatening of regulatory action against it, which is very much looking like a legal violation.


> There are no book bans in the US.

When the government declares under penalty of law that libraries cannot stock certain books, that is a book ban.

> If you really want to cite American double standards, how about American banks denying service to Americans based on their stated political and religious beliefs? <https://www.occ.gov/news-issuances/news-releases/2026/nr-occ...>

Unlike your other examples, banks are private entities and can generally refuse to do business with whomever they like.


What books are libraries legally not allowed to stock now? Which law prevents them from stocking those books?


Utah HB 29 (codified as 53G-10-103) is a good example of such a law. See e.g. https://townlift.com/2026/10/utah-adds-seven-books-to-statew...


> There are no book bans in the US. ...

Not true here in Florida. The governor banned and burned books that taught slavery was bad, revoked tenure and fired all teachers who were reported teaching that slavery was bad. The new state-approved textbooks teach that slavery taught blacks useful skills and that there was violence on both sides.


So you can't just go to a local book store and buy a copy or order it on Amazon? Oh wait you can? Crazy damn I really thought a banned book would mean I couldn't buy it at literally any book store.


> Not true here in Florida. The governor banned and burned books

The books are not banned.

The public schools don't allow them, which is the case for many things.

Whether you agree with it or not, calling this "banning books" is dumb. There are a lot of things that are not allowed in schools, but we don't go around saying "Florida banned alcohol" or "Florida banned smoking" or "Florida banned pornography" because they're not allowed in schools.


The acrobatics ya'll are performing to reach these conclusions sure are impressive.


It's not a war, just a special military operations that lasts longer than WW 2.


Remember. Over 20% of America still supports this fascism.

Statistically some of them would be here


> The books are not banned...The public schools don't allow them

What's a word that means "forbidden from being included" or "disallowed"? "Banned"! Check your local dictionary, or just type it into your favorite search box.

> Calling this "banning books" is dumb. There are a lot of things that are not allowed in schools, but we don't go around saying "Florida banned alcohol" or "Florida banned smoking"

No, it's not dumb. Children don't go to school for the purpose of getting drunk or smoking. They do go to school to learn things, including things that might be politically controversial or divisive.

You know what is dumb? Gatekeeping truthful information from being accessible to kids because the curiosity it sparks might inconvenience some people.


Praising a murderer for committing a murder is not incitement and is protected speech. Under Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), speech loses protection only if it is directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it. A comment on a murder after the fact can’t meet this standard unless the comment is “go do another murder right now!”

Kimmel also did not praise the murderer. He implied (incorrectly as it turns out) that the killer was right-wing.

Your misstatements of the well-known facts and law in this case cast doubt on the effort you put into researching the other issues mentioned.


He did more than imply the falsehood. He implied that people had no good reason to disbelieve the falsehood, and that the right wing was seeking to deceive on this basis for political gain. In doing so, he (perhaps inadvertently) ran cover for the ideology that was actually responsible.

Right-wingers have lost their jobs in the US many times for far less, even when their comments were on social media accounts unrelated to the job. When these responses are described as unjust or disproportionate, American left-wingers have consistently and repeatedly (across a span of many years) told me the same line about how 1A only applies to government and not corporations. Which is correct, but also entirely missing the point about bias.


> Right-wingers have lost their jobs in the US many times for far less, even when their comments were on social media accounts unrelated to the job.

You make it sound like losing one’s job for being an embarrassment to their company is a bad thing.


They were only "an embarrassment to their company" because of the aggressive doxxing and harassing actions of people who refused to tolerate entirely reasonable statements that they happened to disagree with.

For that matter, one time someone who wasn't even noted as right wing got "cancelled" for wearing clothing with a print that some feminists found objectionable. Clothing that was gifted to him by a woman.


Many women are antifeminist, yes. They are also hypocrites as they still vote of course. Was that new information to you?


Opposing modern feminism is perfectly compatible with retaining the franchise. Not that that has anything to do with anything. There objectively was no remotely reasonable basis to object to the shirt.


Why do you talk about free speech in one place and whine and cry about free speech of others elsewhere? Who cares? Cancellation was an exercise of free speech.


> people who refused to tolerate entirely reasonable statements

Like what? have a link?


Look how he kept being cagey and vague never giving any examples and suddnely simply vanished.


Canceling is free speech and freedom of association. Why do you hate others free speech?


How is right wingers losing their jobs which is a private transaction between free private entities related to a government whining and trying to misuse regulation against a company?


The parent comment should not have been flagged.


> Jimmy Kimmel’s “gags” were praising a murderer for the murder he committed.

Citation needed.




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