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Ok, but do you not see where this leads? This leads to RL on your data at the very least, which leads to the CCP having true SOTA models, which they will obviously stop making open once it benefits them just like OAI and Ant. Here we are now, with TFA model not open at all.

Again, I am not pissed at you or anyone in your position. I get it. I am pissed at the Project 2025 type people who destroyed our institutions, and in the decades prior they destroyed our mutual trust in our own country. (With the help of foreign actors ffs)

2025 types declared us the enemy while they took over everything, and it turns out it goes both ways. BTW, I don't mean this in left/right partisan way. The 2025/authoritarian type people don't seem to be aware that they made even non-partisan people feel like they are now being tread upon. There is so much proof of this on HN, like this thread, and many others.

My thesis is that just like every other authoritarian scheme in the last hundred years, these people have not thought it through, and in the end will make their country less powerful. Would be arguably OK if there weren’t even bigger assholes ready to fill the vacuum.

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Once chinese models will stop being open we can all stop using them. There is no moat and switching models take 10 seconds.

The TFA model is not open. This is the beginning, and the end.

Meanwhile, the branding of CCP models has confused everyone, and in the age of "free code," branding is everything.


You never explained why them having true SOTA models is worse than the people who you then criticize in your rant furthering their SOTA models, as they're the ones RLing on your data if you use US models. I don't get it.

I can agree with you that the Project 2025 philosophy is misguided but I can also assure you that it has little to do with my distrust of the US government. I think the biggest factor is the trend toward valuing "safety" above all else and at any cost to our citizens. This has been going on for decades and a quest like this is also an authoritarian one. I agree with your general thesis though that it is not thought through and ultimately destroys our mutual trust.



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